Politics: The Wrath of Veep

by **Laexile** » Tue May 13, 2008 17:01:56

Phan In Phlorida wrote:So by your logic and definition, the above referenced 80% of the African American Democratic electorate is racist.

The term racist is thrown around liberally. Voting for someone based on the color of their skin, white or black, is a racist act. I think it's a leap to call them racists.

by **traderdave** » Tue May 13, 2008 18:03:46

Laexile wrote:
Phan In Phlorida wrote:So by your logic and definition, the above referenced 80% of the African American Democratic electorate is racist.

The term racist is thrown around liberally. Voting for someone based on the color of their skin, white or black, is a racist act. I think it's a leap to call them racists.

So the guys who flew the planes into the WTC committed terrorist acts but they were necessarily terrorists?

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue May 13, 2008 19:30:16

Hillary wins West Virginia. /CNN

Exit polls putting it at 65-35 or so.

by **philliesphhan** » Tue May 13, 2008 19:35:15

Why do they always post horrendous pictures of her

by **philliesphhan** » Tue May 13, 2008 19:36:40

There's only 8 delegates in WV? jerseyhoya, you'd probably know. how many more of these before someone wins?

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue May 13, 2008 19:39:38

philliesphhan wrote:There's only 8 delegates in WV? jerseyhoya, you'd probably know. how many more of these before someone wins?

Obama has basically won. He should clinch more than 50% of the pledged delegates by next Tuesday's elections in Oregon and Kentucky. It looks like Hillary is backing off her negative attacks.

There are 28 delegates in WV. They will apportion more of those out as it becomes apparent how each has done in the specific congressional districts.

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue May 13, 2008 19:42:15

Polls close in a few minutes in Mississippi.

by **philliesphhan** » Tue May 13, 2008 19:47:18

jerseyhoya wrote:
philliesphhan wrote:There's only 8 delegates in WV? jerseyhoya, you'd probably know. how many more of these before someone wins?

Obama has basically won. He should clinch more than 50% of the pledged delegates by next Tuesday's elections in Oregon and Kentucky. It looks like Hillary is backing off her negative attacks.

There are 28 delegates in WV. They will apportion more of those out as it becomes apparent how each has done in the specific congressional districts.

At what point is it beyond ridiculous for her to continue? Or are we already there?

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue May 13, 2008 20:22:42

philliesphhan wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
philliesphhan wrote:There's only 8 delegates in WV? jerseyhoya, you'd probably know. how many more of these before someone wins?

Obama has basically won. He should clinch more than 50% of the pledged delegates by next Tuesday's elections in Oregon and Kentucky. It looks like Hillary is backing off her negative attacks.

There are 28 delegates in WV. They will apportion more of those out as it becomes apparent how each has done in the specific congressional districts.

At what point is it beyond ridiculous for her to continue? Or are we already there?

Eh. If she stays positive from here on out and enthusiastically endorses him in the beginning of June after the primaries are over, I don't think she's doing any harm to Obama.

Still no results from WV or MS.

by **dajafi** » Tue May 13, 2008 20:38:25

I saw on the NYT site that she's planning to campaign in the northwest, California and South Dakota in the next few days.

Even I agree, though, that as long as she doesn't go scorched-earth, it's probably fine. Maybe her supporters will thus feel less (ahem) bitter...

by **Laexile** » Tue May 13, 2008 20:40:51

traderdave wrote:
Laexile wrote:
Phan In Phlorida wrote:So by your logic and definition, the above referenced 80% of the African American Democratic electorate is racist.

The term racist is thrown around liberally. Voting for someone based on the color of their skin, white or black, is a racist act. I think it's a leap to call them racists.

So the guys who flew the planes into the WTC committed terrorist acts but they were necessarily terrorists?

You're using hyperbole if you want to compare someone voting for someone because of the color of their skin and someone who causes the deaths of thousands to facilitate bringing down America.

by **dajafi** » Tue May 13, 2008 21:07:07

The Dem is leading by 10 points in the early returns from Mississippi. Of course, I have no idea whether this means much--maybe it's the college precincts or something.

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue May 13, 2008 21:11:10

dajafi wrote:The Dem is leading by 10 points in the early returns from Mississippi. Of course, I have no idea whether this means much--maybe it's the college precincts or something.

It means I'm getting drunk for medicinal purposes.

We don't look so good.

http://www.swingstateproject.com/

They're doing a pretty good job.

by **mpmcgraw** » Tue May 13, 2008 21:17:32

dajafi wrote:
mpmcgraw wrote:Yes, Bush and high ranking CIA officials are heartless devils that enjoy torture when it has no results! (who cares what these CIA guys say? They are a part of the Bush admin after all) Surely they would have plenty to gain through the redundant torturing of human beings!

I am not one who buys into the opinion that you and many others share that Bush is not a well intentioned man. I truly believe that Bush and the people who surround him are well intentioned albeit utterly incompetent. Thus I trust that he is not sadistic. Not exactly a leap of faith for me, but to each his own.

You can view Bush however you like, but I think your view of him is quite sensationalized. More like a character in a horror movie than an actual human being.

My point is if torture is as redundant as you say it is and Bush/CIA are lying as you say they are, what exactly do they stand to gain from all of this?

If this is in response to me... well, there's probably not much point in continuing a conversation. I tried to address your argument. You responded by babbling about Bush and telling me what my "views" are. About which, by the way, you're wrong.

The line about the "Chinese public," though, is really, really funny.

Well most of what you said I don't agree to be true so instead of getting in a poo poo throwing contest that is the equivalent of "nah uh" "yeah huh" "nah uh" "yea huh" I tried to explain my said of it, because from my point of view you are going to believe your beliefs to be true and mine ignorant no matter what I say given past threads on here, whether you say it or not. If you thought I was being arrogant then ignore the rest and answer the last paragraph, which is the main point.

By chinese public I meant before it was announced/used for propaganda. These subs are about the only part of their navy that is modern. The rest is mid cold war era soviet scraps for the most part.

by **dajafi** » Tue May 13, 2008 21:18:47

I'm watching the Phils on mlb.tv and, now that I've done a small work thing, flipping between the results on dKos, the minor league games, and the Flyers. Last I saw on Kos it was 32 percent in, still 10 points, and it sounds from the (of course biased) commenters that the Republican candidate has had more of his strong areas report than the Dem.

Think I'll join you with a beer.

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue May 13, 2008 21:24:53

Our last hope is that white people in these rural counties that haven't reported hate black people. Or the better parts of DeSoto County still being outstanding.

To be fair, the DCCC inaccurately accused Davis of liking the Klan today. So I'm cool with winning on the backs of racist white people, if they're gonna be like that.

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue May 13, 2008 21:27:57

I think we lost.

by **dajafi** » Tue May 13, 2008 21:29:27

jerseyhoya wrote:Our last hope is that white people in these rural counties that haven't reported hate black people. Or the better parts of DeSoto County still being outstanding.

To be fair, the DCCC inaccurately accused Davis of liking the Klan today. So I'm cool with winning on the backs of racist white people, if they're gonna be like that.

Six point lead, 2500-ish votes with maybe 40 percent in. Who knows.

The thing is that just by demographics, you guys aren't going to be able to win with "racist white people" all that much longer. I'm sure you've seen the data of your own age cohort's voting preferences--they aren't buying it. Bob Herbert (obviously dancing on the theoretical grave of reactionary Republicanism) and Andrew Sullivan (hoping for reinforcements as a social-liberal/economic conservative/Obamican) have been writing about this lately.

I think your big career move, the thing that would get you on cable TV, is to figure out how to take your own views and win some races with them.

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue May 13, 2008 21:32:37

Yeah, I'm gonna write my manifesto for the Republican Party one of these weekends.

DeSoto County will close the gap that's currently open, but we aren't going to win any of these other counties that are left.

by **dajafi** » Tue May 13, 2008 21:35:43

jerseyhoya wrote:Yeah, I'm gonna write my manifesto for the Republican Party one of these weekends.

DeSoto County will close the gap that's currently open, but we aren't going to win any of these other counties that are left.

Just noticed your new sig. Classic.

So is Strahan retiring or what?

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