So how close is Obama saying "hope" from turning into a joke? It's close, right?

He sounds just like The Rock.

Bakestar wrote:

YO B WRAP IT UP


It's a pretty good speech, if a bit long-winded. I just find it hilarious how he doesn't skip a beat. This guy...

I have not felt better about our chances in November since about November 2002 when I was convinced Gore was going to lose to Bush in 2004 and Clinton was going to lose to generic Republican X in 2008.

jerseyhoya wrote:I have not felt better about our chances in November since about November 2002 when I was convinced Gore was going to lose to Bush in 2004 and Clinton was going to lose to generic Republican X in 2008.

I don't follow? Obama has a pretty darn good speech here.

Here comes the CNN nut fluffers.

Hilary doesn't matter anymore.

pacino wrote:Hilary doesn't matter anymore.

She matters for 4 minutes.

pacino wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I have not felt better about our chances in November since about November 2002 when I was convinced Gore was going to lose to Bush in 2004 and Clinton was going to lose to generic Republican X in 2008.

I don't follow? Obama has a pretty darn good speech here.

He thinks Hillary is gonna pull a Denethor and bring the whole house down.

She's going to have to win two out of the big three first. Her margin of power has been quickly fading.

pacino wrote:No one has the ultimate authority on their own religion except for maybe the pope or something. And even he's just some guy.

Your relativism is at it again. The Catholic church, for example, has 2000+ years of documentation describing what it is, what it believes in, etc. That's the authority, it's not just some guy.

pacino wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I have not felt better about our chances in November since about November 2002 when I was convinced Gore was going to lose to Bush in 2004 and Clinton was going to lose to generic Republican X in 2008.

I don't follow? Obama has a pretty darn good speech here.

She really should be a defeat in Texas or Ohio away from dropping out of this race, but that's assuming he doesn't piss her off. Then he goes and interrupts her, which was bizarre, and not helpful in the big picture. Obama then talks for approximately forever.

I dunno. I guess I wasn't buying into this becoming a bloodbath if Obama kept winning, but I also wasn't thinking he'd go out of his way to make her mad.

What it believes in and how it follows the word of god has slowly changed over time, and will continue to into the future.

jerseyhoya wrote:

pacino wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I have not felt better about our chances in November since about November 2002 when I was convinced Gore was going to lose to Bush in 2004 and Clinton was going to lose to generic Republican X in 2008.

I don't follow? Obama has a pretty darn good speech here.

She really should be a defeat in Texas or Ohio away from dropping out of this race, but that's assuming he doesn't piss her off. Then he goes and interrupts her, which was bizarre, and not helpful in the big picture. Obama then talks for approximately forever.

I dunno. I guess I wasn't buying into this becoming a bloodbath if Obama kept winning, but I also wasn't thinking he'd go out of his way to make her mad.

Please fill me in on this; I am working and unable to watch.

Houshphandzadeh wrote:I don't know about your friend's contentions in particular, but there are also Christians who are gay or tolerant of gays. Should they just STFU and let themselves be misrepresented?

Should we just accept that the argument won't ever be resolved because one side says 'God says so' and the other calls bullpip?

Dude, you aren't even reading what I wrote. You're arguing something else all together.

pacino wrote:What it believes in and how it follows the word of god has slowly changed over time, and will continue to into the future.

Unless you're talking about deep theology or turning understood tradition into doctrine, it really hasn't. Stuff like Vatican II changed the hows and methods of when to stand and when to kneel, but it made no change in the theology of Catholics or what they believe in.

VoxOrion wrote:

pacino wrote:What it believes in and how it follows the word of god has slowly changed over time, and will continue to into the future.

Unless you're talking about deep theology or turning understood tradition into doctrine, it really hasn't. Stuff like Vatican II changed the hows and methods of when to stand and when to kneel, but it made no change in the theology of Catholics or what they believe in.

I disagree. It greatly modernized thought within the church. The church no longer stated it was the one true faith and also recognized freedom of religion. Those are very vital changes IMO, and completely due to modern pressures.

I love Drudge's sense of humor, or whatever you want to call it.

Obama is all cool sippin on his water, and Hillary looks like a ghoul.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Obama's speech was for a set time, Hillary chose to pre-empt it, according to CNN. It would be one thing if it was a true concession speech, but if we're talking political politeness here, she hasn't once congratulated him in any of the last 9 contests, which is supposed to be a kind of tradition. Instead, she doesn't acknowledge it at all, and calls his wins "insignificant".

meatball wrote:Obama's speech was for a set time, Hillary chose to pre-empt it, according to CNN. It would be one thing if it was a true concession speech, but if we're talking political politeness here, she hasn't once congratulated him in any of the last 9 contests, which is supposed to be a kind of tradition. Instead, she doesn't acknowledge it at all, and calls his wins "insignificant".

Yeah, I was trying to figure out why Wisconsin doesn't count--it's not a caucus, there aren't many African-Americans... I'm sure Mark Penn will come up with something. That's why he gets the big bucks. (No other reason suggests itself.)

I think the Obama people were pissed after 48 hours of relentless attacks and distortions from the Clintons--capped by her failure to congratulate him. The pre-empting wasn't very nice, but I get why they did it.

Meanwhile, MSNBC is again perilously close to dancing on Clinton's political grave. Not good...