TenuredVulture wrote:Maybe, just maybe, in 8 years, you can try with Jindal. We'll see how ideologically pure he is after governing the Pelican state for two terms.

You think there's any chance the Reps nominate an Indian American?

lethal wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:Maybe, just maybe, in 8 years, you can try with Jindal. We'll see how ideologically pure he is after governing the Pelican state for two terms.

You think there's any chance the Reps nominate an Indian American?

Yes.

lethal wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:Maybe, just maybe, in 8 years, you can try with Jindal. We'll see how ideologically pure he is after governing the Pelican state for two terms.

You think there's any chance the Reps nominate an Indian American?

The Republican establishment, conservatives and moderates, love minorities who are Republicans. They think it says, "See, we're not racists. [fill in your minority] should really become Republicans."

If Powell decided to run I think a lot of the party would have lined up behind him regardless of his position on social issues.

As if Democrats have this long history of minority presidential candidates.

You know, I don't think Ron Paul is going to win this thing.

VoxOrion wrote:You know, I don't think Ron Paul is going to win this thing.

VoxOrion wrote:As if Democrats have this long history of minority presidential candidates.

An infinite number of years longer than the republicans. Had a Jew as a VP candidate too. You guys wouldn't even vote for a Christian (albeit a mormon).

Disco Stu wrote:

VoxOrion wrote:As if Democrats have this long history of minority presidential candidates.

An infinite number of years longer than the republicans. Had a Jew as a VP candidate too. You guys wouldn't even vote for a Christian (albeit a mormon).

You guys wouldn't vote for a Jew last time.

Racist/Anti-Semetic Winnar!

Some effed up stuff there.

Disco Stu wrote:

VoxOrion wrote:As if Democrats have this long history of minority presidential candidates.

An infinite number of years longer than the republicans. Had a Jew as a VP candidate too. You guys wouldn't even vote for a Christian (albeit a mormon).

In other words:

Republican minority presidential nominees: 0
Democrat minority presidental nominees: 0

There are commonalities among all Christians, protestant and Catholic, that Mormons do not share. Most particularly a belief in the trinity. Mormons aren't Christians (for that and other reasons). I think it's only recently that LDS members sought to be considered Christians.

I still don't understand how mormonism or whatever is religion. Sounds more like a borderline cult to me.

http://politicalarithmetik.blogspot.com/

If you like stats, this is a great politics blog.

mpmcgraw wrote:I still don't understand how mormonism or whatever is religion. Sounds more like a borderline cult to me.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. It shares a lot in common with Christianity, but less than Christianity shares with Judiasm - and Christians and Jews, from a theological perspective, agree on more than Mormons agree with either. One of the things that's hard to track with LDS is that they have a core belief that their religion can change (for example, accusing a Mormon today of believing that blacks can't be clergy or that having more than one wife is okay would be inappropriate - the LDS of 2008 does not believe these things).

For comparison's sake to Christians and Jews, they believe that God is a being that ascended to a plane of existance that made him God, and that Earth is his domain (so theoretically, there could be many God's, and each of us should aspire to be God ourselves someday). They believe that Jesus is his son, but not a part of any trinity of some kind (in other words, not God become flesh or the messiah). There's also a big part of their theology that believes people in the continental US are specifically part of God's plan (I think it might be a lost 12th tribe/13th tribe kind of thing).

Mormonism is no less weird than general vanilla Christianity. Not sure why it gets this big 'crazy' label. It does kind of rewrite history, though.


As for Jindal, I don't like him. He wants an amendment for flag burning, is against 100% all abortions, isn't good on environmental issues, and is freaking nuts in thinking that Medicaid should have co-pays. MEDICAID? Does he know that poor people get Medicaid for a reason?

Cohen tried to get on the Congressional Black Caucus and they wouldn't let him. That's not his fault. I don't understand how there is still antisemitism in this country. Apparently some ministers have nothing to do but hate on Jews (and Jews who include gays in hate crime legislation). Their biases are noted.

pacino wrote:As for Jindal, I don't like him. He wants an amendment for flag burning, is against 100% all abortions, isn't good on environmental issues, and is freaking nuts in thinking that Medicaid should have co-pays. MEDICAID? Does he know that poor people get Medicaid for a reason?

See, he could totally win a GOP primary.

VoxOrion wrote:

Disco Stu wrote:

VoxOrion wrote:As if Democrats have this long history of minority presidential candidates.

An infinite number of years longer than the republicans. Had a Jew as a VP candidate too. You guys wouldn't even vote for a Christian (albeit a mormon).

In other words:

Republican minority presidential nominees: 0
Democrat minority presidental nominees: 0

There are commonalities among all Christians, protestant and Catholic, that Mormons do not share. Most particularly a belief in the trinity. Mormons aren't Christians (for that and other reasons). I think it's only recently that LDS members sought to be considered Christians.

Has the Republican party ever had a non-WASP male presidential nominee? I know they've had a couple of Quakers (are Quakers considered protestant?), and have never had a Catholic prez nominee. Not trying to make a point... just wondering.

mpmcgraw wrote:I still don't understand how mormonism or whatever is religion. Sounds more like a borderline cult to me.

Cult + Time = Religion

My brother-in-law and I were talking about this a couple months ago. Mormonism, while maybe "not Christian enough" to the Republican evangelical base, is generally recognized as a legitimate religion. They've got, I think, about 120 years on Scientology. Your great-grandkids might think Scientology is pretty tame stuff.

dajafi wrote:Cult + Time = Religion

I wish more people understood this.

Two polls, from Rasmussen:

CO-Pres: Feb 13 Obama (D) 46%, McCain (R) 39%
CO-Pres: Feb 13 McCain (R) 49%, Clinton (D) 35%

Unless my math is off, that's a 21 point swing. Presumably the other Democrats on the ballot in Colorado--including a Senate nominee--would find this of interest.

There's also this:

Sixty percent (60%) of Colorado voters currently have a favorable opinion of Obama while just 36% hold an unfavorable view.

McCain earns favorable reviews from 55% and less flattering assessments from 42%.

Clinton is viewed favorably by 44% and unfavorably by 54%.

That's a candidate with, I would suspect, 100 percent name recognition. It's hard to turn around that kind of ingrained opinion. So she's very likely to lose what otherwise would be a Democrat-trending swing state, severely hurting other Democrats on the ballot, allowing the Republicans to redirect resources to other swing states.

The Clintons need to get over themselves and get out of the way.

Phan In Phlorida wrote:

VoxOrion wrote:

Disco Stu wrote:

VoxOrion wrote:As if Democrats have this long history of minority presidential candidates.

An infinite number of years longer than the republicans. Had a Jew as a VP candidate too. You guys wouldn't even vote for a Christian (albeit a mormon).

In other words:

Republican minority presidential nominees: 0
Democrat minority presidental nominees: 0

There are commonalities among all Christians, protestant and Catholic, that Mormons do not share. Most particularly a belief in the trinity. Mormons aren't Christians (for that and other reasons). I think it's only recently that LDS members sought to be considered Christians.

Has the Republican party ever had a non-WASP male presidential nominee? I know they've had a couple of Quakers (are Quakers considered protestant?), and have never had a Catholic prez nominee. Not trying to make a point... just wondering.

Barry Goldwater wasn't Protestant.