BigEd76 wrote:Mitch was on WIP this morning and was speculating that Wagner may have a tired arm if he wasn't used in an important situation like that...

he needs to suck it up and play through the pain like nolan ryan and the braves do

I posted somewhere in another thread that Wagner has a tired arm. It was mentioned in Carroll's column the other day before the series started.

Fun game to watch last night, i believe i said something about howard making mota his bitch, repeatedly, loudly, at home, i scared some of the animals

FTN wrote:I posted somewhere in another thread that Wagner has a tired arm. It was mentioned in Carroll's column the other day before the series started.

Right, but he was warming up at what looked like full speed, looked ready to come into the game at one point. Plus, he had formerly said he'd be available for this series.

GunbladeVIII wrote:

FTN wrote:I posted somewhere in another thread that Wagner has a tired arm. It was mentioned in Carroll's column the other day before the series started.

Right, but he was warming up at what looked like full speed, looked ready to come into the game at one point. Plus, he had formerly said he'd be available for this series.

Right, he'd come in for a save, not in a tie game. If he pitched last night in a tie game and they still lost, and he couldn't come back tonight, that would be a double blow.

FTN wrote:

GunbladeVIII wrote:

FTN wrote:I posted somewhere in another thread that Wagner has a tired arm. It was mentioned in Carroll's column the other day before the series started.

Right, but he was warming up at what looked like full speed, looked ready to come into the game at one point. Plus, he had formerly said he'd be available for this series.

Right, he'd come in for a save, not in a tie game. If he pitched last night in a tie game and they still lost, and he couldn't come back tonight, that would be a double blow.

*shrug*

I still see that as stupid. If Randolph thinks that it's worth losing to have Wagner available for tonight's game, which could for all he knows end up a Mets blowout, or a Phillies wire-to-wire win, whatever. If I were a Mets fan, it's still a rationalization and still not even close to making up for losing the game, even if hindsight shows that Wagner was needed tonight.

GunbladeVIII wrote:

FTN wrote:

GunbladeVIII wrote:

FTN wrote:I posted somewhere in another thread that Wagner has a tired arm. It was mentioned in Carroll's column the other day before the series started.

Right, but he was warming up at what looked like full speed, looked ready to come into the game at one point. Plus, he had formerly said he'd be available for this series.

Right, he'd come in for a save, not in a tie game. If he pitched last night in a tie game and they still lost, and he couldn't come back tonight, that would be a double blow.

*shrug*

I still see that as stupid. If Randolph thinks that it's worth losing to have Wagner available for tonight's game, which could for all he knows end up a Mets blowout, or a Phillies wire-to-wire win, whatever. If I were a Mets fan, it's still a rationalization and still not even close to making up for losing the game, even if hindsight shows that Wagner was needed tonight.

I'm not disagreeing with you. If I were Randolph, I'd have used him too, I'm just trying to understand his logic.

GunbladeVIII wrote:

FTN wrote:

GunbladeVIII wrote:

FTN wrote:I posted somewhere in another thread that Wagner has a tired arm. It was mentioned in Carroll's column the other day before the series started.

Right, but he was warming up at what looked like full speed, looked ready to come into the game at one point. Plus, he had formerly said he'd be available for this series.

Right, he'd come in for a save, not in a tie game. If he pitched last night in a tie game and they still lost, and he couldn't come back tonight, that would be a double blow.

*shrug*

I still see that as stupid. If Randolph thinks that it's worth losing to have Wagner available for tonight's game, which could for all he knows end up a Mets blowout, or a Phillies wire-to-wire win, whatever. If I were a Mets fan, it's still a rationalization and still not even close to making up for losing the game, even if hindsight shows that Wagner was needed tonight.

Not only that--for relievers, and I would imagine especially for closers, warming up probably takes as much out of an arm (especially a tired arm) as the actual pitching does--by having him warmed up, but not using him, you may have made him less effective tonight anyway.

If we were in New York and Mesa gave up a 2run Walk off while Myers sat in the pen, this board would go nuts.

steven snell wrote:If we were in New York and Mesa gave up a 2run Walk off while Myers sat in the pen, this board would go nutsER.

Fixed

Where's that picture of the fair ball and Rowand's disembodied head?