if this list of horny Presidents doesn't get some political chatter going here, nothing will. And JFK is only 8. http://www.radaronline.com/features/200 ... ents_1.php

Among the women with whom Washington was known or suspected to have had adulterous relationships were Kitty Greene, Lucy Flucker Knox

I mean, how do you NOT bang a broad named Lucy Flucker?

I'm gonna throw Phan Paul a frickin' bone here...

50 percent would NOT vote for Hillary Clinton

The question of whether Democrats would nominate Hillary Clinton reminds me of the Simpsons episode in which Lisa conducts a science experiment she dubs, "Is My Brother Dumber Than a Hamster?"

dajafi wrote:I'm gonna throw Phan Paul a frickin' bone here...

50 percent would NOT vote for Hillary Clinton

The question of whether Democrats would nominate Hillary Clinton reminds me of the Simpsons episode in which Lisa conducts a science experiment she dubs, "Is My Brother Dumber Than a Hamster?"

What frightens me is the way the Hillary people are beginning to show themselves. However, Obama has definitely taken a lot of Hillary's momentum. I've heard some interesting buzz surrounding Bill Richardson. Dajafi, I may have heard some of that from you, but I've heard it from other people too.

I wouldn't put much stock in that poll, though.

Phan Paul wrote:

dajafi wrote:I'm gonna throw Phan Paul a frickin' bone here...

50 percent would NOT vote for Hillary Clinton

The question of whether Democrats would nominate Hillary Clinton reminds me of the Simpsons episode in which Lisa conducts a science experiment she dubs, "Is My Brother Dumber Than a Hamster?"

What frightens me is the way the Hillary people are beginning to show themselves. However, Obama has definitely taken a lot of Hillary's momentum. I've heard some interesting buzz surrounding Bill Richardson. Dajafi, I may have heard some of that from you, but I've heard it from other people too.

I wouldn't put much stock in that poll, though.

I've maintained all along that it will come down to Hillary vs. Not-Hillary. Were any of Edwards, Obama and Richardson allowed to go one-on-one with Our Lady of Perpetual Triangulation, they'd probably win; the 50 percent number is higher than I've seen, but the question has been asked before and I've never seen the number below 46 percent. With all of them fighting for the 60-70 percent of the Democratic primary electorate that doesn't support her, though, she could get the nomination and lose the general.

Nuttin' I haven't said before elsewhere, but let me get on the record here:

1) Obama is the rabbit in this race.

2) Hillary will expend her money and energy chasing Obama, or ousting him. She will honk off a lot of Dems in the process.

3) White Kinght rides in: Al Gore. Consider: 2-term VP of extremely popular peacetime president, loses close election for the presidency in which it is widely suspected that the winner stole the election. Four years later, he does not run again, but becomes a staunch backbone of his party and supports the candidate. Four years after that, party regulars turn to him as the guy who got jobbed 8 years ago and whose time has come. Know the story? Yep, first it was Richard Nixon, and history repeats for Al.

4) No Republican can win, that's pretty certain. Rudy? Cannot pull in the money or the votes from the christian conservatives. Mitt? Heck, Mormons aren't even Christians, are they?

Ladies and gennelmens, I give you President Al Gore.

We could do worse.

I knew we could get TomatoPie here if we put up a politics thread 8)

I really don't think Gore is running. For one thing, politics is a TV medium... and at this point Ozone Man can't really fit in the frame. I find it much, much easier to believe that Americans will vote for a woman, an African-American, a Mormon, maybe even an atheist than for a fat dude.

For another, I read something the other day (maybe on Dick Polman's blog?) about how Gore proposed a comprehensive emissions tax that would ding everyone who so much as rides a lawnmower. Fairly easy to oppo, that.

Oddly enough (or maybe not), I could see Richardson playing TomatoPie's "White Knight" role. He doesn't have the emotional resonance that Gore would bring in among Democrats, but he's also not really objectionable to anyone, far as I can tell.

pacino wrote:I knew we could get TomatoPie here if we put up a politics thread 8)

I was going to post that a political discussion broke out and TP shows up, but I didnt want to scare the republican away, theyre such timid creatures.

The Red Tornado wrote:

pacino wrote:I knew we could get TomatoPie here if we put up a politics thread 8)

I was going to post that a political discussion broke out and TP shows up, but I didnt want to scare the republican away, theyre such timid creatures.

C'mon now.

FWIW, the whole meta "should BSG host political discussions" is still an open question for me. I'll gently suggest, head inclined ever so slightly toward the mod star pinned to my virtual shirt pocket, that we try to keep this to discussion of campaign stuff rather than, say, impassioned attacks upon or defenses of actions/motivations of those currently in office, or the parties they represent. A little more bluntly... if this turns into the usual feces-throwing spectacle, it won't long continue as such.

Im mostly apolitical, my comment was meant to be silly.

Given dajafi's suggestion, I'll toss out a question for some input.

What is everyone's opinion of Fred Thompson? Is he a viable GOP candidate in this thing? The latest USA Today/Gallup poll conducted that included Thompson among the Republican candidates had him running third in the party, trailing only Giuliani and McCain. I was surprised to see such promising numbers for Thompson, who hasn't even formed an exploratory committee yet.

Here is the problem with Hillary. She isn't very likable (which always goes very far with the majority of America since nobody REALLY pays much attention to anything but the war) and her thunder has been stolen.

Being the first non-white/male in the White House has been trumped by Obama. Being a top dog woman has now been trumped by Pelosi. Being not likable has been trumped by Trump.

That being said, I am almost not liking Clinton and Obama because they seem to be running more on what they are rather than who they are. Clinton's whole schtick about Kennedy just brought attention to her by saying, "Vote for me, I am a woman!"

I hope Gore runs.

Macho Row wrote:Given dajafi's suggestion, I'll toss out a question for some input.

What is everyone's opinion of Fred Thompson? Is he a viable GOP candidate in this thing? The latest USA Today/Gallup poll conducted that included Thompson among the Republican candidates had him running third in the party, trailing only Giuliani and McCain. I was surprised to see such promising numbers for Thompson, who hasn't even formed an exploratory committee yet.

He is nothing but a trumped up person made into Superman just so the GOP has someone to get behind. All their people suck, so, now you have a TV star who has been scandle free and now he is a stud. It's Reagan all over again.

dajafi wrote:Oddly enough (or maybe not), I could see Richardson playing TomatoPie's "White Knight" role. He doesn't have the emotional resonance that Gore would bring in among Democrats, but he's also not really objectionable to anyone, far as I can tell.

As a conservative, I don't hate Richardson. He's quite sensible on a lot of issues.

That said, while he seems to be a pleasant chap, he's short on charisma and he makes more odd facial gestures than Dub facing off with David Gregory. Alas, I think Richardson is a wonks-only candidate, tho he may be suitable for the Voop slot.

TomatoPie wrote:

dajafi wrote:Oddly enough (or maybe not), I could see Richardson playing TomatoPie's "White Knight" role. He doesn't have the emotional resonance that Gore would bring in among Democrats, but he's also not really objectionable to anyone, far as I can tell.

As a conservative, I don't hate Richardson. He's quite sensible on a lot of issues.

That said, while he seems to be a pleasant chap, he's short on charisma and he makes more odd facial gestures than Dub facing off with David Gregory. Alas, I think Richardson is a wonks-only candidate, tho he may be suitable for the Voop slot.

As a wonk, I'm not sure this is accurate... he's smart, but he's got a lot of personality too. (Maybe it hasn't come out in the campaign yet; I'm not sure he's done enough events to get his rap down.) I think one reason he wasn't the #2 for either Gore or Kerry, despite being a Hispanic from a swing state, was because their advisors were worried he might overshadow them.

I suspect Richardson, if he was the Dem nominee, would win more electoral votes than anybody since Bush41 against Dukakis. Just a hunch, probably never to be verified given the Democrats' fetish for taking aim at their own feet.

dajafi wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:

dajafi wrote:Oddly enough (or maybe not), I could see Richardson playing TomatoPie's "White Knight" role. He doesn't have the emotional resonance that Gore would bring in among Democrats, but he's also not really objectionable to anyone, far as I can tell.

As a conservative, I don't hate Richardson. He's quite sensible on a lot of issues.

That said, while he seems to be a pleasant chap, he's short on charisma and he makes more odd facial gestures than Dub facing off with David Gregory. Alas, I think Richardson is a wonks-only candidate, tho he may be suitable for the Voop slot.

As a wonk, I'm not sure this is accurate... he's smart, but he's got a lot of personality too. (Maybe it hasn't come out in the campaign yet; I'm not sure he's done enough events to get his rap down.) I think one reason he wasn't the #2 for either Gore or Kerry, despite being a Hispanic from a swing state, was because their advisors were worried he might overshadow them.

I suspect Richardson, if he was the Dem nominee, would win more electoral votes than anybody since Bush41 against Dukakis. Just a hunch, probably never to be verified given the Democrats' fetish for taking aim at their own feet.

OK, it wasn't you I "heard" talking about how impressive Richardson is. It must have been someone else. Anyway, Richardson is apparently a very effective retail politician, and quite charismatic. One thing we still do well in Arkansas is retail politics--Clinton and Huckabee are both outstanding pressing the flesh. (One great thing about living here for a political scientist is how accessible our politicians are--I've met Huckabee two or three times, had Blanche Lincoln in my class, had Mike Ross two or three times, met our current governor twice) and apparently Richardson is quite good in this area. On the other hand, he could succumb to the Wesley Clark problem, starting too late to really have a chance.

I'm extremely concerned about all the early primaries. That really could create a scenario with Hilary grabbing the nomination and the Dems with a big case of buyer's remorse.

Phan Paul wrote:I'm extremely concerned about all the early primaries. That really could create a scenario with Hilary grabbing the nomination and the Dems with a big case of buyer's remorse.

In which case, I'll be camped in front of City Hall downtown, staging a hunger strike until Bloomberg jumps into the race.

So...it seems that these days you can take the fifth if you intend to lie under oath? That's awesome.