BigEd76 wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:Why would they pass? Every team after them has selected, just not sure why they would pass but I am not sure how it all works.

Because LV is gonna have about 20 prospects already

I would think that is the case with a lot of teams, but I think only two teams didn't take a guy so I thought it was odd.

BigEd76 wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:Why would they pass? Every team after them has selected, just not sure why they would pass but I am not sure how it all works.

Because LV is gonna have about 20 prospects already

Reading too.

heyeaglefn wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:Why would they pass? Every team after them has selected, just not sure why they would pass but I am not sure how it all works.

Because LV is gonna have about 20 prospects already

I would think that is the case with a lot of teams, but I think only two teams didn't take a guy so I thought it was odd.

all of these guys are roster filler. guess the phillies feel they have enough of those guys already or won't have a problem adding them.

they just traded for guys that filled up slots. they dont have room. this is a good thing!

pacino wrote:they just traded for guys that filled up slots. they dont have room. this is a good thing!

doesn't matter for the minor league portion.

heyeaglefn wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:Why would they pass? Every team after them has selected, just not sure why they would pass but I am not sure how it all works.

Because LV is gonna have about 20 prospects already

I would think that is the case with a lot of teams, but I think only two teams didn't take a guy so I thought it was odd.

A lot of teams don't have the AA/AAA depth the Philles have right now. Don't ever waste a thought on this again and you'll be better off.

Has anyone notable ever been taken in the minor league draft before? I doubt it, so it hardly matters. Also if they had a lot of people taken, that means they had a lot of people to protect and couldn't leave a slot open. edit: if that's how it works, I have no idea. edit2: ok that's not how it works.

ReadingPhilly wrote:

pacino wrote:they just traded for guys that filled up slots. they dont have room. this is a good thing!

doesn't matter for the minor league portion.

duh, whoops

pacino wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:

pacino wrote:they just traded for guys that filled up slots. they dont have room. this is a good thing!

doesn't matter for the minor league portion.

duh, whoops

I can't trust anything you say now

So with Goeddel on the roster along with Bourjos, does that make it pretty much a lock that Odubel is going back to 2B (at least for now) and Asche will be headed elsewhere soon? I can't see them carrying six (or seven depending on how you view Ruf) OF on the ML roster, but guys like Sweeney and Altherr won't be helped by going back to AAA either. Yet they've got Goeddel, Herrera, Asche, Altherr, Sweeney, Bourjos, and Ruf.

And to further complicate things you've got legit prospects at the AA/AAA level who will be pushing these guys soon too.

i think the of will be bourjos/herrera/altherr in some fasion. goeddel as a backup. ruf should be in a full-time 1b platoon. sweeney will be a utility guy. could see asche getting moved.

ReadingPhilly wrote:i think the of will be bourjos/herrera/altherr in some fasion. goeddel as a backup. ruf should be in a full-time 1b platoon. sweeney will be a utility guy. could see asche getting moved.

That seems more likely, I agree, but I'm intrigued by having a guy with Herrera's hitting ability at 2B, especially when OF is pretty well-stocked in the minors at this point.

I know Herrara moving to 2B has been discussed on here for a while, but has any of the media asked about it?

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:

phorever wrote:

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:BTW we're all going to be ticked when Tirado is taken. If I remember correctly a team can then pull one player back without having to add him to 40 man. I assume that would be Tocci.

haters gonna hate.
haters gonna be wrong.
a new era has begun!

You're an odd one phorever, but I love the enthusiasm.

sorry. probably picked the wrong post to reply to.
it's just that there were a large group of posters here, at tgp, and at phuturephillies who were absolutely convinced that leaving tocci and tirado unprotected was a big and obvious mistake by our new gm, since it was pretty much guaranteed that one or both would be taken. all this despite tocci having a broken hand due to being hit by a pitch in winter ball and the fact that only very, very small set of teams can afford to risk overworking their regular pitching staff due to carrying a rule 5 pitcher with numbers like tirado's showing that he is very far from being ready for the show and thus is available only for mop-up duty. the negativity about those choices didn't make sense to me, except in the context of people assuming that the "monty/ruben rule" (null hypothesis is that any phillies decision is wrong ) still applied.

heyeaglefn wrote:I know Herrara moving to 2B has been discussed on here for a while, but has any of the media asked about it?

think so, since i'm pretty sure i saw a quote from mack or klentak about that possibility this week.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:So with Goeddel on the roster along with Bourjos, does that make it pretty much a lock that Odubel is going back to 2B (at least for now) and Asche will be headed elsewhere soon? I can't see them carrying six (or seven depending on how you view Ruf) OF on the ML roster, but guys like Sweeney and Altherr won't be helped by going back to AAA either. Yet they've got Goeddel, Herrera, Asche, Altherr, Sweeney, Bourjos, and Ruf.

And to further complicate things you've got legit prospects at the AA/AAA level who will be pushing these guys soon too.

It's a great problem to have. However, more than anything this shows why we should just cut ties with Ryan Howard. Let Ruf play 1B and maybe even give Cody some PT there. I really want to see Odubel play another full season in CF too. The point's been brought up before but having a sick outfield defense with Herrera, Altherr and Bourjos (now Goeddel too) will do wonders for a young pitching staff.

phorever wrote:

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:

phorever wrote:

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:BTW we're all going to be ticked when Tirado is taken. If I remember correctly a team can then pull one player back without having to add him to 40 man. I assume that would be Tocci.

haters gonna hate.
haters gonna be wrong.
a new era has begun!

You're an odd one phorever, but I love the enthusiasm.

sorry. probably picked the wrong post to reply to.
it's just that there were a large group of posters here, at tgp, and at phuturephillies who were absolutely convinced that leaving tocci and tirado unprotected was a big and obvious mistake by our new gm, since it was pretty much guaranteed that one or both would be taken. all this despite tocci having a broken hand due to being hit by a pitch in winter ball and the fact that only very, very small set of teams can afford to risk overworking their regular pitching staff due to carrying a rule 5 pitcher with numbers like tirado's showing that he is very far from being ready for the show and thus is available only for mop-up duty. the negativity about those choices didn't make sense to me, except in the context of people assuming that the "monty/ruben rule" (null hypothesis is that any phillies decision is wrong ) still applied.

I think it's time to accept the fact that we have a GM who gets it. We didn't give him the benefit of the doubt when Tocci and Tirado were left unprotected but in the end, he knew what he was doing.

Our new outfielder, Tyler Goeddel.

phorever wrote:

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:

phorever wrote:

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:BTW we're all going to be ticked when Tirado is taken. If I remember correctly a team can then pull one player back without having to add him to 40 man. I assume that would be Tocci.

haters gonna hate.
haters gonna be wrong.
a new era has begun!

You're an odd one phorever, but I love the enthusiasm.

sorry. probably picked the wrong post to reply to.
it's just that there were a large group of posters here, at tgp, and at phuturephillies who were absolutely convinced that leaving tocci and tirado unprotected was a big and obvious mistake by our new gm, since it was pretty much guaranteed that one or both would be taken. all this despite tocci having a broken hand due to being hit by a pitch in winter ball and the fact that only very, very small set of teams can afford to risk overworking their regular pitching staff due to carrying a rule 5 pitcher with numbers like tirado's showing that he is very far from being ready for the show and thus is available only for mop-up duty. the negativity about those choices didn't make sense to me, except in the context of people assuming that the "monty/ruben rule" (null hypothesis is that any phillies decision is wrong ) still applied.

No worries phorever. This board was pretty sane about it and didn't flip out like Matty Winks and others you mentioned. Most people here just didn't like the risk of losing Tirado because we added A.J. Achter.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:i think the of will be bourjos/herrera/altherr in some fasion. goeddel as a backup. ruf should be in a full-time 1b platoon. sweeney will be a utility guy. could see asche getting moved.

That seems more likely, I agree, but I'm intrigued by having a guy with Herrera's hitting ability at 2B, especially when OF is pretty well-stocked in the minors at this point.

forgot about bourjos in my zips projection post. that's fixed.
i too prefer herrera at 2b. barring the 3b/1b moves i'm still trying to avoid mentioning (with limited success, sorry),
i would accommodate that by making cesar part of a three-headed utility monster, together with asche and blanco. on any given day, one would start in left while the others backup cf (by going to rf or 2b to let altherr or herrera move there), 2b, lf, rf, 1b, and 3b.

and, as noted by others, dumping ryan "sunk cost" howard is the a#1 remaining piece of unfinished business that would make most other roster decisions easier. only reason not to is if they have trade plans for asche and don't want to rush williams or cozens to the big leagues to fill the lh power bat spot.