wwry wrote:if i can't get to the cautious ruben amaro, who expects attempts on his life ill make sure to take out tom mccarthy, a lonely man who will provide me with an easy opportunity to murder him.

wwry wrote:i am going to kill ruben amaro. next week all of you will be reading about the assassination of our clown prince GM. i am going to walk right up to him and shoot him in the gut and then kill myself.

td11 wrote:

wwry wrote:if i can't get to the cautious ruben amaro, who expects attempts on his life ill make sure to take out tom mccarthy, a lonely man who will provide me with an easy opportunity to murder him.

wwry wrote:i am going to kill ruben amaro. next week all of you will be reading about the assassination of our clown prince GM. i am going to walk right up to him and shoot him in the gut and then kill myself.

smitty wrote:

dajafi wrote:Of course employees of the team are going to be optimistic in their public statements. But it doesn't seem too much to hope for that a baseball GM would grasp the lameness of complaining about bad injury luck when the team he's assembled is really old. Either he's really stupid, or he thinks the fans are.

Yeah right.

Amaro should definitely just come out and say the team is old and not that good.

That's exactly what a good GM would do.

In fact, here is a comprehensive list of GMs who do stuff like that:

1.

dajafi wrote:

smitty wrote:

dajafi wrote:Of course employees of the team are going to be optimistic in their public statements. But it doesn't seem too much to hope for that a baseball GM would grasp the lameness of complaining about bad injury luck when the team he's assembled is really old. Either he's really stupid, or he thinks the fans are.

Yeah right.

Amaro should definitely just come out and say the team is old and not that good.

That's exactly what a good GM would do.

In fact, here is a comprehensive list of GMs who do stuff like that:

1.

I didn't say anything like "he should come out and say the team is old and not that good." in fact, the first line of my post that you quoted says that nobody would do that.

I suggested that what he did choose to say was ignorant of a very basic truth: old ballplayers tend to get hurt more. I don't get why a GM would make a comment about the bad luck of a large 34 year old with a long recent injury history getting hurt.

Seriously, what's the value of this? Does it figure into why you think so highly of Amaro?

smitty wrote:I support wwry's assassination plot.

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smitty wrote:

dajafi wrote:

smitty wrote:

dajafi wrote:Of course employees of the team are going to be optimistic in their public statements. But it doesn't seem too much to hope for that a baseball GM would grasp the lameness of complaining about bad injury luck when the team he's assembled is really old. Either he's really stupid, or he thinks the fans are.

Yeah right.

Amaro should definitely just come out and say the team is old and not that good.

That's exactly what a good GM would do.

In fact, here is a comprehensive list of GMs who do stuff like that:

1.

I didn't say anything like "he should come out and say the team is old and not that good." in fact, the first line of my post that you quoted says that nobody would do that.

I suggested that what he did choose to say was ignorant of a very basic truth: old ballplayers tend to get hurt more. I don't get why a GM would make a comment about the bad luck of a large 34 year old with a long recent injury history getting hurt.

Seriously, what's the value of this? Does it figure into why you think so highly of Amaro?

Lol at you. When did I ever say I thought highly of Amaro? I don't think he's a complete idiot and he did some good things to allow the Phils to compete for World titles for a few years. He hasn't done anything particularly good recently. If you consider stuff like that high praise than I don't know what to say.

I do comment on criticism that I find to be nonsensical. If you don't understand why GMs say what they say. -- meaning pretty much all GMs -- then I guess I don't know what more I can add.

I have always contended, as many others have, that taking anything Amaro or any Phillie official seriously doesn't make much sense. I thought we kind of collectively came to that conclusion years ago. Maybe around the time of the great Rod Barajas will be the starting catcher nonsense many years ago. The Phillies have been a very secretive organization for a long time. Interestingly, I recently learned their scouts were very secretive many decades ago. Maybe it's an institutional thing or something.

I support wwry's assassination plot.

I hope we hire that broad to replace the late RAJ.

If you take that as me thinking highly of Amaro then go right ahead.

The Dude wrote:in this example, just saying "all gm's lie" misses the point completely

Woody wrote:My biggest problem is that Ruben appears to view multiple injuries over multiple years to multiple old players as merely bad luck, and not a tendency or result of natural decline. And that's troublesome. He doesn't seem willing, either in his actions or his public statements, to be able to fully let go of his view of these guys as the studs they were in 2006-2009. And I understand that he needs to be optimistic in public.

But whether he actually believes it or not is beside the point. He's managed the roster as though he does.

Woody wrote:My biggest problem is that Ruben appears to view multiple injuries over multiple years to multiple old players as merely bad luck, and not a tendency or result of natural decline. And that's troublesome. He doesn't seem willing, either in his actions or his public statements, to be able to fully let go of his view of these guys as the studs they were in 2006-2009. And I understand that he needs to be optimistic in public.

But whether he actually believes it or not is beside the point. He's managed the roster as though he does.

Woody wrote:My biggest problem is that Ruben appears to view multiple injuries over multiple years to multiple old players as merely bad luck, and not a tendency or result of natural decline. And that's troublesome. He doesn't seem willing, either in his actions or his public statements, to be able to fully let go of his view of these guys as the studs they were in 2006-2009. And I understand that he needs to be optimistic in public.

But whether he actually believes it or not is beside the point. He's managed the roster as though he does.

Monkeyboy wrote:So what was he trying to accomplish. I realize you may not know the answer to that question, but it's a reasonable question, I think.

My main concern is that his actions and roster construction seem to indicate that he does believe that really old guys around the league all have one more run left in them. He's a back of the baseball card guy to the 1000th degree.