ReadingPhilly wrote:

Warszawa wrote:I would think that if Ruben wants to complain about his players lack of plate discipline signing this guy isn't exactly going to help.

yeah that 10.6% career walk rate would kill them

Crazy that this guy was a near-.400 OBP guy early in his career. WTF happened?

Heyman has the Phils in on Swisher, along with Texas, Seattle, Baltimore, Atlanta, Washington and San Fran

BigEd76 wrote:Heyman has the Phils in on Swisher, along with Texas, Seattle, Baltimore, Atlanta, Washington and San Fran

If this is to believed....

Texas needs pitching, not offense. Can't believe they would outbid us in this case.
No hitter with a sane mind would choose Seattle
I think Baltimore could be a threat
Atlanta? pitchers park and not enough funds to outbid the Phillies.
Fuck Washington
Fuck San Fran

Isn't Seattle bringing in their fences?

Yes.

If he really is having trouble with the better fastballs, I don't want the BJUpton, because that will probably get worse with age and may make him age poorly. Though he'd probably kill Cy Dickey.

Swisher is the only $10m + year OF that I'd be interested in

olney this morning said something to the effect of as per usual, the phillies are talking aggressively in their pursuit of a CF

here, sorry for being lazy...

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
As usual, PHI is perceived by rival execs and agents as wanting to move fast in their search for a CFer; they've been aggressive in talks.

i read that as:

"as usual, the phillies are being stupid and offering ridiculous deals and i'm a pouty douche"

Monkeyboy wrote:If he really is having trouble with the better fastballs, I don't want the BJUpton, because that will probably get worse with age and may make him age poorly. Though he'd probably kill Cy Dickey.

...just in time for the Mets to trade Dickey to the AL.

Maybe they are trying to sneak in and grab Hamilton

The Savior wrote:i read that as:

"as usual, the phillies are being stupid and offering ridiculous deals and i'm a pouty douche"

Yeah, me too.

my cousin mose wrote:here, sorry for being lazy...

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
As usual, PHI is perceived by rival execs and agents as wanting to move fast in their search for a CFer; they've been aggressive in talks.

Good to see they're letting the market set as usual.

mcare89 wrote:

my cousin mose wrote:here, sorry for being lazy...

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
As usual, PHI is perceived by rival execs and agents as wanting to move fast in their search for a CFer; they've been aggressive in talks.

Good to see they're letting the market set as usual.

Olney also points out that B.J. Upton is plan B after Bourn.

i'd rather him be aggressive than not. aggressive doesn't have to mean a bad contract.

Seems from everything I've read, Upton is their #1 choice.

ReadingPhilly wrote:i'd rather him be aggressive than not. aggressive doesn't have to mean a bad contract.

I go back and forth on this. On one hand, it's good to be aggressive and never get stuck settling for a stopgap late because you slow-played your hand and you're left alone at the dance, plus you won't get screwed when somebody comes out and overpays a CF and everybody else's price goes up. On the other hand, to get somebody to sign early is risky because you might end up paying him way more than anybody had planned to spend on a CF. The Papelbon deal in a vacuum wasn't terrible, it just became terrible because it was way more than anybody was willing to spend on a closer.

mcare89 wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:i'd rather him be aggressive than not. aggressive doesn't have to mean a bad contract.

I go back and forth on this. On one hand, it's good to be aggressive and never get stuck settling for a stopgap late because you slow-played your hand and you're left alone at the dance, plus you won't get screwed when somebody comes out and overpays a CF and everybody else's price goes up. On the other hand, to get somebody to sign early is risky because you might end up paying him way more than anybody had planned to spend on a CF. The Papelbon deal in a vacuum wasn't terrible, it just became terrible because it was way more than anybody was willing to spend on a closer.

definite risk/reward. also helps if he has multiple things going on in the way of trades. get a guy signed and hammer out a trade, while other teams are busy trying to lock a fa down.

Trent Steele wrote:my expectations for the Upton contract are so low, I almost can't be disappointed!!

He's supposedly seeking 5/75.