ARGUING! FUCK YEAH JIMMY

you can already sort your spreadsheet

Phylan wrote:we could just let computers decide the award winners but instead let's just let categorical novelties decide them

for,people who,like baseball history and think things like Triple Crowns are cool and who think MVP is not defined as the best player but rather something else than yes we certainly should.

I don't take these awards all that seriously.

computer awards are great too. but that's not what the MVP is about nor should it be in my opinion.

that's what makes baseball so great.

The day we let computers replace out ability to think and apply whatever standards we want to awards is the day baseball gets a lot less fun.

I love Sabermetrics and all the new ways of thinking and discovering new ways to understand player value. but that isn't what the MVP or other awards are about and I hope they never are.

Werthless wrote:Pitching triple crown, auto Cy Young? I assume smitty wanted Kershaw over Halladay last year?

winning 30 games is my equivalent to the batting Triple Crown.

that said the choice for Kershaw wasn't a bad one. He had a great year.

smitty wrote:

Phylan wrote:we could just let computers decide the award winners but instead let's just let categorical novelties decide them

for,people who,like baseball history and think things like Triple Crowns are cool and who think MVP is not defined as the best player but rather something else than yes we certainly should.

I don't take these awards all that seriously.

computer awards are great too. but that's not what the MVP is about nor should it be in my opinion.

that's what makes baseball so great.

The day we let computers replace out ability to think and apply whatever standards we want to awards is the day baseball gets a lot less fun.

I love Sabermetrics and all the new ways of thinking and discovering new ways to understand player value. but that isn't what the MVP or other awards are about and I hope they never are.

In case it wasn't clear I obviously don't think "computers" should determine seasonal awards

I don't understand what's so amazingly offensive about the MVP being awarded to the best baseball player. Why do you get to decide what MVP should be "about?"

my cousin mose wrote:let's get snarky because we have differing opinions

I like this option.

Napalm wrote:Bobby V. got #$!&@ fired

Only 162 games late

as painful as the season was, kinda worked out well for them in the end, eh?

Werthless wrote:Pitching triple crown, auto Cy Young? I assume smitty wanted Kershaw over Halladay last year?

Def auto cy young and borderline auto map

Give it to Trout. Most WAR's, youngest ever 30/40 club member and he's a Phillies fan. All Miggy has is a weakass TC that wouldn't come close in any year outside the 60's.


*Disclaimer* I just wanna see Trout win ROY and MVP, he won't, but still.

so why does being young matter, then?

Houshphandzadeh wrote:so why does being young matter, then?

You seriously asking me that?

I think I was getting you mixed up with previous arguments, but if we're trying to isolate value in terms of one year performance, his age shouldn't matter

(sandusky)

probably not seriously

Houshphandzadeh wrote:I think I was getting you mixed up with previous arguments, but if we're trying to isolate value in terms of one year performance, his age shouldn't matter

Well actually age does matter contextually. Of course on a raw stats pov, age is irrelevant, but no-one takes stats without context. His age and his major-league inexperience in comparison to the players around him means everything.

If you're into combining Japanese stats with MLB stats, Ichiro passed Hammerin' Hank on the all time hits list this year with a total of 3884. It would probably take at least 3 years but there's a decent to good chance he could pass Cobb & Rose.

I'm having a hard time finding the all time hits leaders in Japan.

Phylan wrote:

smitty wrote:

Phylan wrote:we could just let computers decide the award winners but instead let's just let categorical novelties decide them

for,people who,like baseball history and think things like Triple Crowns are cool and who think MVP is not defined as the best player but rather something else than yes we certainly should.

I don't take these awards all that seriously.

computer awards are great too. but that's not what the MVP is about nor should it be in my opinion.

that's what makes baseball so great.

The day we let computers replace out ability to think and apply whatever standards we want to awards is the day baseball gets a lot less fun.

I love Sabermetrics and all the new ways of thinking and discovering new ways to understand player value. but that isn't what the MVP or other awards are about and I hope they never are.

In case it wasn't clear I obviously don't think "computers" should determine seasonal awards

I don't understand what's so amazingly offensive about the MVP being awarded to the best baseball player. Why do you get to decide what MVP should be "about?"

there's absolutely nothing offensive about the best player getting the MVP. I'm not deciding anything. I have an opinion. your opinion is valid in my view. So is mine.

The MVP has always been an opinion based award. That's what it has always been about. That's pretty clearly an historical fact. I have no problem with that. It's fun.

At one time back n the olden days, there was a school of though that the MVP went to the best player on the pennant winner. The Sporting News Player of the Year went to the best player overall. That was a valid way to do the awards in my view.

Trout is a great MVP candidate. If he wins great. My choice is Cabrera.

I'm not sure why you think I find anything offensive about a stupid award vote.

Youseff wrote:If you're into combining Japanese stats with MLB stats, Ichiro passed Hammerin' Hank on the all time hits list this year with a total of 3884. It would probably take at least 3 years but there's a decent to good chance he could pass Cobb & Rose.

I'm having a hard time finding the all time hits leaders in Japan.

That's pretty cool.

Ichiro's performance in Japan should be considered when evaluating his Hall credentials I believe.

well you were talking about the MVP as if someone were about to convert it to a BCS poll or something so I naturally had to wonder