Ramon Gris wrote:Just a couple thoughts on PED's in St Louis:

-LaRussa managed perhaps the most juiced team in history back in Oakland, with Canseco and McGwire and whoever else
-Ryan Franklin
-J.C. Romero
-McGwire as hitting coach
-Inexplicable resurgence of Lance Berkman and Carlos Beltran
-Albert Pujols sucks now
-Over-performance of every projection, seems like every season

Seems like this team signs every player who has been implicated in PED use, gets great seasons out of presumably washed-up players, and gets mediocre players performing above their career norms. Forgive me for any misstatements here, but to me it seems like the Cardinals are juiced out of their minds every year, and MLB just loves them so much they don't care.

I realize these aren't all great examples. and I'm probably missing a bunch, but I'd like to hear what everybody thinks about them. I believe Tony Larussa's greatest asset as a manager was a connection for undetectable PED's.

JFLNYC wrote:

Ramon Gris wrote:Just a couple thoughts on PED's in St Louis:

-LaRussa managed perhaps the most juiced team in history back in Oakland, with Canseco and McGwire and whoever else
-Ryan Franklin
-J.C. Romero
-McGwire as hitting coach
-Inexplicable resurgence of Lance Berkman and Carlos Beltran
-Albert Pujols sucks now
-Over-performance of every projection, seems like every season

Seems like this team signs every player who has been implicated in PED use, gets great seasons out of presumably washed-up players, and gets mediocre players performing above their career norms. Forgive me for any misstatements here, but to me it seems like the Cardinals are juiced out of their minds every year, and MLB just loves them so much they don't care.

I realize these aren't all great examples. and I'm probably missing a bunch, but I'd like to hear what everybody thinks about them. I believe Tony Larussa's greatest asset as a manager was a connection for undetectable PED's.

I have no idea what the PED situation might be in St. Louis, but I think a couple of those examples are a bit misplaced. Lance Berkman was a perennial 900 OPS guy. He had an injury-filled 2010 and everyone simply wrote him off too early. Similarly Beltran was an elite offensive player for a long time before injuries slowed him, particularly in 09-10. But he bounced back well last year and the fact that he's reasonably healthy this year and OPSing around 900 isn't that great a surprise.

bleh wrote:I think as long as you are in the act of catching it as you go out of play it's an out. But you can't like jump into the stands and then catch it.

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A CATCH is the act of a fielder in getting secure possession in his hand or glove of a ball in flight and firmly holding it; providing he does not use his cap, protector, pocket or any other part of his uniform in getting possession. It is not a catch, however, if simultaneously or immediately following his contact with the ball, he collides with a player, or with a wall, or if he falls down, and as a result of such collision or falling, drops the ball. ... In establishing the validity of the catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball and that his release of the ball is voluntary and intentional. ...
Rule 2.00 (Catch) Comment: ... A fielder may reach over a fence, railing, rope or other line of demarcation to make a catch. He may jump on top of a railing, or canvas that may be in foul ground. No
interference should be allowed when a fielder reaches over a fence, railing, rope or into a stand to catch a ball. He does so at his own risk. If a fielder, attempting a catch at the edge of the dugout, is “held up” and kept from an apparent fall by a player or players of either team and the catch is made, it shall be allowed.
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7.04 Each runner, other than the batter, may without liability to be put out, advance one base when -

(c) A fielder, after catching a fly ball, falls into a bench or stand, or falls across ropes into a crowd when spectators are on the field;

Rule 7.04(c) Comment: If a fielder, after having made a legal catch, should fall into a stand or among spectators or into the dugout or any other out-of-play area while in possession of the ball after making a legal catch, or fall while in the dugout after making a legal catch, the ball is dead and each runner shall advance one base, without liability to be put out, from his last legally touched base at the time the fielder fell into, or in, such out-of-play area.

The 47-year-old home run king, looking especially lean at about 212 pounds from his new love for cycling

702 wrote:

The 47-year-old home run king, looking especially lean at about 212 pounds from his new love for cycling

Yea cause cycling took off all the weight

Uncle Milty wrote:Abreu since joining the Dodgers: .339/.451/.458

702 wrote:

The 47-year-old home run king, looking especially lean at about 212 pounds from his new love for cycling

Yea cause cycling took off all the weight

8 years/$184M (2011-18)
signed extension with Minnesota 3/22/10 (largest-ever deal for a catcher and fourth-largest contract in history at signing)
11-18: $23 million annually

8 years/$184M (2011-18)
signed extension with Minnesota 3/22/10 (largest-ever deal for a catcher and fourth-largest contract in history at signing)
11-18: $23 million annually