Rev_Beezer wrote:that clip makes me really, really nostalgic for the Vet.

If we ever get Holodeck technology I am so using it to walk around that place.

jerseyhoya wrote:I am not suggesting the teams are at all similar or that the end result will be the same...cannot in fact because of the wildcard. However, for students of 1964 it does seem alarmingly similar in terms of how September is going to play out and how eerily similar the starting rotations were going into it. As those who followed the team recall, there were a series of rainouts which caused the team to have not one single day off in September, not one. This team will not have a day off till the end of the season either because of rainouts. Most people who recall the collapse believe this played a big part since the team never had one day of rest and played 31 games in 30 days.

Which leads to the starting rotation. Again, most would agree that the 2011 team is probably a better rotation and more inclined to capably make it through these murky September waters. But listen to the similarities. Both had a strong righty-lefty combo that was strong, healthy and pitched deep into games...Jim Bunning and Chris Short in 1964, Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee in 2011. Both had a young lefty who was incredibly talented but went into September with shoulder issues...Dennis Bennett in '64, Cole Hamels in 2011. Both had a righty with lots of talent but struggling as September came and neither with much confidence from their manager...Art Mahaffey in 1964 and Roy Oswalt this year. Both had rookies with only 1 loss in the fifth spot in the rotation as August ended...Rick Wise was 5-1 and had recently become the fifth starter and Vance Worley at 9-1. Worley has certainly been stronger than Wise was but still they were in the rotation with only one loss heading down the stretch. And both had a 6th starter in the bullpen that sort of got lost in the shuffle and also suffered from a lack of managerial confidence...Ray Culp in 1964 and Kyle Kendrick this year.

The 2011 Phillie bullpen is much deeper, their is no comparison in offenses [though heading into September with Frank Thomas the '64 team was hitting and scoring well], and as I said, even a monumental collapse this year would not keep the team out of the playoffs.

But as we leave August and enter September it is interesting that for all the Phillie rotational depth, we are now facing the fact that two of our top four aces are a bit of an unknown because of injury and one wonders how well Worley will hold up to the pressure of September. And an unforgiving schedule. I think this is going to be a very difficult final month for the club, not that they won't survive it but that will test their mettle for the first real time all year. Should be interesting and entertaining to watch.

Doll Is Mine wrote:Chase Utley Promises that It Gets Better

Yup.

philliesphhan wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I am not suggesting the teams are at all similar or that the end result will be the same...cannot in fact because of the wildcard. However, for students of 1964 it does seem alarmingly similar in terms of how September is going to play out and how eerily similar the starting rotations were going into it. As those who followed the team recall, there were a series of rainouts which caused the team to have not one single day off in September, not one. This team will not have a day off till the end of the season either because of rainouts. Most people who recall the collapse believe this played a big part since the team never had one day of rest and played 31 games in 30 days.

Which leads to the starting rotation. Again, most would agree that the 2011 team is probably a better rotation and more inclined to capably make it through these murky September waters. But listen to the similarities. Both had a strong righty-lefty combo that was strong, healthy and pitched deep into games...Jim Bunning and Chris Short in 1964, Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee in 2011. Both had a young lefty who was incredibly talented but went into September with shoulder issues...Dennis Bennett in '64, Cole Hamels in 2011. Both had a righty with lots of talent but struggling as September came and neither with much confidence from their manager...Art Mahaffey in 1964 and Roy Oswalt this year. Both had rookies with only 1 loss in the fifth spot in the rotation as August ended...Rick Wise was 5-1 and had recently become the fifth starter and Vance Worley at 9-1. Worley has certainly been stronger than Wise was but still they were in the rotation with only one loss heading down the stretch. And both had a 6th starter in the bullpen that sort of got lost in the shuffle and also suffered from a lack of managerial confidence...Ray Culp in 1964 and Kyle Kendrick this year.

The 2011 Phillie bullpen is much deeper, their is no comparison in offenses [though heading into September with Frank Thomas the '64 team was hitting and scoring well], and as I said, even a monumental collapse this year would not keep the team out of the playoffs.

But as we leave August and enter September it is interesting that for all the Phillie rotational depth, we are now facing the fact that two of our top four aces are a bit of an unknown because of injury and one wonders how well Worley will hold up to the pressure of September. And an unforgiving schedule. I think this is going to be a very difficult final month for the club, not that they won't survive it but that will test their mettle for the first real time all year. Should be interesting and entertaining to watch.

Love that I know who you're quoting without even thinking about it. I think it might be fun to pick out the most ridiculous thing in there, but it's so hard to choose. Dennis #$&! Bennett compared to Cole Hamels? Art Mahaffey had talent?

Bakestar wrote:We need to purge all of the 1964 Tittybabies from the fanbase.

In the early 1900s, Nap Lajoie, a former Phillie, was spiked and nearly died from a blood infection that was believed then to have been caused by colored dye in his sock.

This led to the transition to the colored stirrup worn over a clean white tube sock, known as a sani sock.

Many say it was George Hendrick, the St. Louis Cardinals outfielder, who in the late 1980s pioneered pants down to the ankles.

Gary "Sarge" Matthews, the former Phillie outfielder and current broadcaster, says Hendrick knew he would be fined, and would tell team executives: "I'm going to keep my pants all the way down, so what's it going to be for the whole year?"

Pitcher Ryan Madson says he simply wouldn't look good showing his high socks. "I have skinny legs," he said. "I have chicken legs."

Soren wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:Chase Utley Promises that It Gets Better

Yup.

Surprised to see Doc participate considering how hardcore Mormons are against the gays

phdave wrote:

Soren wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:Chase Utley Promises that It Gets Better

Yup.

Surprised to see Doc participate considering how hardcore Mormons are against the gays

I thought he wasn't a practicing Mormon anymore.