Roy Halladay Knob-Slobbing Thread

by **BigEd76** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:25:01

Buzhardt wrote:Cliff Lee, 1st 4 starts for Phillies in 2009:

4-0, 0.82ERA, 34K/6BB

Roy Halladay, 1st 4 starts for Phillies in 2010:

4-0, 0.82ERA, 28K/3BB

and each had 2 CGs

by **JFLNYC** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:28:36

So is Roy just a flash sideways of Cliff?

by **The Crimson Cyclone** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:28:59

1 wrote:i just hope i can find 30-32 animals of around that size...

you will soon enough since you are going to be a parent

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:31:03

JFLNYC wrote:So is Roy just a flash sideways of Cliff?

Amaro is Jacob. I knew it.

by **philliesphhan** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:49:18

Squire wrote:
CrashburnAlley wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:
Buzhardt wrote:Cliff Lee, 1st 4 starts for Phillies in 2009:

4-0, 0.82ERA, 34K/6BB

Roy Halladay, 1st 4 starts for Phillies in 2010:

4-0, 0.82ERA, 28K/3BB

Remind me again why we don't have both?

Because we want to watch competitive baseball after 2011.

Perhaps though in fairness Aumont, Gillies and Ramirez have shown very little this season to indicate that they will be a part of post 2011 competitive Phillies baseball and its certainly not clear that they would contribute more than the 2 picks Lee would have yielded.

You're right, in one month, they haven't shown that they can contribute more than two players we wouldn't have drafted until next year provided we got any compensation at all.

by **phorever** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:32:10

philliesphhan wrote:
Squire wrote:
CrashburnAlley wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:
Buzhardt wrote:Cliff Lee, 1st 4 starts for Phillies in 2009:

4-0, 0.82ERA, 34K/6BB

Roy Halladay, 1st 4 starts for Phillies in 2010:

4-0, 0.82ERA, 28K/3BB

Remind me again why we don't have both?

Because we want to watch competitive baseball after 2011.

Perhaps though in fairness Aumont, Gillies and Ramirez have shown very little this season to indicate that they will be a part of post 2011 competitive Phillies baseball and its certainly not clear that they would contribute more than the 2 picks Lee would have yielded.

You're right, in one month, they haven't shown that they can contribute more than two players we wouldn't have drafted until next year provided we got any compensation at all.

and let's not forget that the money saved on lee let us sign gload and baez and contreras and castro instead of using mayberry and matheison and valdez and some other aaa reliever.

by **Buzhardt** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:33:31

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:
Buzhardt wrote:Cliff Lee, 1st 4 starts for Phillies in 2009:

4-0, 0.82ERA, 34K/6BB

Roy Halladay, 1st 4 starts for Phillies in 2010:

4-0, 0.82ERA, 28K/6BB

3 BB*

I saw that wrong on the TV, thanks for catching it.

by **Squire** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:54:51

philliesphhan wrote:
Squire wrote:
CrashburnAlley wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:
Buzhardt wrote:Cliff Lee, 1st 4 starts for Phillies in 2009:

4-0, 0.82ERA, 34K/6BB

Roy Halladay, 1st 4 starts for Phillies in 2010:

4-0, 0.82ERA, 28K/3BB

Remind me again why we don't have both?

Because we want to watch competitive baseball after 2011.

Perhaps though in fairness Aumont, Gillies and Ramirez have shown very little this season to indicate that they will be a part of post 2011 competitive Phillies baseball and its certainly not clear that they would contribute more than the 2 picks Lee would have yielded.

You're right, in one month, they haven't shown that they can contribute more than two players we wouldn't have drafted until next year provided we got any compensation at all.

Yes its been less than a month. However, seems like the onus to back up his assertion would be on the guy who is asserting that we needed to trade Lee to have competitive baseball after 2011. I hope like heck Aumont, Gillies and Ramirez turn out to be productive major leaguers.

by **my cousin mose** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:03:29

jamiethekiller wrote:
my cousin mose wrote:oh $#@! icy tea

just noticed that.

my friend in high school had that as his screen name for a while. this was like 10 years ago.

haha yeah me too; you're not from wilmington, de are you?

by **Soren** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:04:46

by **jamiethekiller** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:11:22

my cousin mose wrote:
jamiethekiller wrote:
my cousin mose wrote:oh $#@! icy tea

just noticed that.

my friend in high school had that as his screen name for a while. this was like 10 years ago.

haha yeah me too; you're not from wilmington, de are you?

yes i am

by **my cousin mose** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:19:38

is your friend's name collin ferguson?

by **JFLNYC** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:35:51

phorever wrote:and let's not forget that the money saved on lee let us sign gload and baez and contreras and castro instead of using mayberry and matheison and valdez and some other aaa reliever.

Total salaries for the former group: $5.75MM
Total salaries for latter group (if on ML roster): $1.2MM

Total savings: $4MM

Lee 2010 salary: $9MM

by **Grotewold** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 13:06:14

Squire wrote:However, seems like the onus to back up his assertion would be on the guy who is asserting that we needed to trade Lee to have competitive baseball after 2011.

His assertion might also be based on four years of Joe Blanton, whom we would have to trade to fit Lee into this year's budget.

by **smitty** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 14:01:47

phorever wrote:
philliesphhan wrote:
Squire wrote:
CrashburnAlley wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:
Buzhardt wrote:Cliff Lee, 1st 4 starts for Phillies in 2009:

4-0, 0.82ERA, 34K/6BB

Roy Halladay, 1st 4 starts for Phillies in 2010:

4-0, 0.82ERA, 28K/3BB

Remind me again why we don't have both?

Because we want to watch competitive baseball after 2011.

Perhaps though in fairness Aumont, Gillies and Ramirez have shown very little this season to indicate that they will be a part of post 2011 competitive Phillies baseball and its certainly not clear that they would contribute more than the 2 picks Lee would have yielded.

You're right, in one month, they haven't shown that they can contribute more than two players we wouldn't have drafted until next year provided we got any compensation at all.

and let's not forget that the money saved on lee let us sign gload and baez and contreras and castro instead of using mayberry and matheison and valdez and some other aaa reliever.

Also, the below market contract Halladay signed combined with trading Lee's salary combined with all the other moves allowed Amaroi to extend Blanton. That was an important part of this whole process in my view.

Further, the two picks (if they indeed got that) seem to be less valuable given the way the Phils have been drafting lately- getting that first round talent with later picks because the guys won't sign until the Phils draft them then they decide to sign.

I don't think you can evaluate the Lee trade in any simple way. I believe it's all part of a process that involves a certain amount of cost certainty which allows Amaro to keep the rest of the core intact for all this time through extensions and pre-arb signings and all the other stuff other teams can't seem to do to keep their stars for very long.

by **smitty** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 14:03:46

Anyways, BP's and Philly resident and home town phan wrote this about our hero:

The last couple of seasons have seen similarly hot starts to the season from two different pitchers that eventually went on to win the Cy Young Award. In 2008, Indians lefty Cliff Lee logged 31 2/3 innings in his first four appearances, walking a mere two batters to his 29 strikeouts to go along with a 0.28 ERA. Lee finished the season with a 2.54 ERA and a 5.0 K/BB ratio en route to end-of-season hardware. Lee would later get off to a fantastic start in his own Phillies' tenure after being acquired from the Indians in a trade last July, also winning his first four games and producing a 0.82 ERA identical to Halladay’s current mark. The other example came last season when Zack Greinke amassed 29 innings in his first four starts, walking six and whiffing 36, while allowing no earned runs on his way to succeeding Lee as the American League Cy Young winner.

Kinda cool comparison that probably doesn't mean all that much except Halladay is a complete bull-stud.

by **jamiethekiller** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 14:19:48

my cousin mose wrote:is your friend's name collin ferguson?

Sick game of guess who. Yeah, we went to high school together

by **my cousin mose** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 16:48:44

jamiethekiller wrote:
my cousin mose wrote:is your friend's name collin ferguson?

Sick game of guess who. Yeah, we went to high school together

small world, my man. takes a certain breed of dude to have a sn like icy teas! not to totally derail the thread but that kid's been one of my best friends since middle school. was just at his wedding a month ago.

this was so freaking random

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by **Barry Jive** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 17:36:44

Roy brings us all together

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