Ruben Amaro Jr. Named GM. Official Announcement Monday

by **Grotewold** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 15:25:11

Houshphandzadeh wrote:what was he even talking about? what does Amaro being GM have to do with pitchers signing here or not?

perhaps we're taking "pitchers" out of context

by **Woody** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 15:26:29

Wheels Tupay wrote:
Woody wrote:Amaro is a smug prick, and that scares me; he's just arrogant enough to think he knows what he's doing.

Thats correct

Still terrified, for different reasons

by **momadance** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 15:33:39

BigEd76 wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:I think everyone (except laex) knew this was coming years ago before Gillick was hired and while it's not thrilling now, let's give him a shot to see what he can do.

TWO YEARS NO CHAMPIONSHIPZ

btw did exile's leg ever heal?

I hear he's working on a Reno Mahe documentary these days.

by **CFP** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 16:07:10

Woody wrote:Amaro is a smug prick, and that scares me; he's just arrogant enough to think he knows what he's doing.

by **Woody** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 16:12:32

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 16:15:56

Woody wrote:I'm really curious to hear what the final payroll is going to be for 2009. If Jflync is right and they're already looking at $120MM+ before a Burrell/Burrell replacement, that may mean that Amaro isn't going to have room to do much. Which might not necessarily be the worst of scenarios. Hellloooooo Pete Orr!!!!

by **Barry Jive** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 17:56:52

Rube finally got his man.

by **Polar Bear Phan** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 18:05:53

Barry Jive wrote:Rube finally got his man.

We'll be sad when Kyle Kendrick gives up 3 home runs to Justin Upton in a game this season, but it'll set off a chain of events involving the acquisition of Upton, David Wright, and Andrew McCutchen.

by **Wizlah** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 18:15:05

Woody wrote:
Wheels Tupay wrote:
Woody wrote:Amaro is a smug prick, and that scares me; he's just arrogant enough to think he knows what he's doing.

Thats correct

Still terrified, for different reasons

It's too late, man.

I mean, have you looked at your youngest lately? Cos I know mine is screamin in mexi-yiddish.

by **WheelsFellOff** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 18:15:58

Oy vemos

by **karn** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 18:19:13

yeah u seriously have to think now that he's going to start cornerning the market on the best position players soon

by **pacino** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 18:57:54

i feel better about myself for not having previously posted in this thread

by **Wheels Tupay** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 19:00:23

Polar Bear Phan wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:Rube finally got his man.

We'll be sad when Kyle Kendrick gives up 3 home runs to Justin Upton in a game this season, but it'll set off a chain of events involving the acquisition of Upton, David Wright, and Andrew McCutchen.

This is going to happen this year. Of course Upton will be a Phillies and Kendrick was the centerpiece of the deal that got him here.

by **21McBride** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 19:12:50

steagles wrote:i think this should guarantee that no top tier free agent pitcher will willingly sign with the phillies.

nor will any pitcher with a NTC waive it to be acquired by the phillies.

I loled.

by **phdave** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 19:22:22

steagles wrote:
phatj wrote:
steagles wrote:i think this should guarantee that no top tier free agent pitcher will willingly sign with the phillies.

nor will any pitcher with a NTC waive it to be acquired by the phillies.

I don't follow.
i don't think ruben knows anything about pitching, pitchers, or how to deal with them. i think that'll get around the league pretty quickly, and philadelphia will become a nonstarter for players and their agents.

it might be more intuitive than inferential, but i'm pretty sure that this is how it'll play out.

by **phdave** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 19:22:30

steagles wrote:
The Red Tornado wrote:based on what? From what Ive heard Amaro has been good with the contract side of things.
this is based on his comments to media outlets and WIP. i don't think he has any idea of the intricacies involved in pitching at the highest level, nor do i think he has any appreciation of what it takes to get up every 5th day and stand out on an island, where you are essentially alone.

i think this might manifest itself in signing a guy like oliver perez, who is a tremendous talent, but who doesn't seem to have all his mental faculties in order.

i think this might manifest itself in drafting pitchers like colt griffin, who arerespected for their velocity, but show no signs of having decent secondary pitches, and also have no stomach for pitching over the course of an 8 month season.

i think this might manifest itself by dealing with pitchers as if they're football players. rub some dirt on it, walk it off, and get back out there.

basically, to me, ruben amaro comes off as a meathead who is dangerously oblivious to the mental side of pitching.

by **phdave** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 19:23:10

karn wrote:I want my SCOUTS in tune with the "intricacies" and "mental side" of pitchers. I want my GM to be able to be able to listen to those scouts in identifying players who can help the team win and then pay those players accordingly for reasonable lengths of time.

No amount of armchair psychology based on interviews read and heard can give a fair read as to how well Amaro will do in trades / free agency, or in other GM'ing responsibilities.

Look, I wish the guy would fall down a well, but let's try a little tenderness for Christ's sake. He has no record to discuss yet. Hypothesizing a negative one is an exercise for the delusional that I hope most will pass on.