Are the Phillies smart enough to start Hamels on 8/22 against the Dodgers instead of 8/23 against them? He's already starting 8/7, 8/12, and 8/17, aswe have no off-days between now and then.

If they do, Hamels can pitch 8/27 at home against the Mets instead of 8/28 against the Cubs. If Hamels starts 8/27, he will start 9/1 against Washington, and can start either 9/6 or 9/7 in NY against the Mets. If he starts 8/28, he would start 9/2 against Washington, and unless they skip a starter and pitch Hamels on 9/7 against the Mets, he would start instead against 8/8 against the Marlins.

If we simply pitched Hamels every 5th game, he would not pitch any of the 5 remaining games against the Mets. If the Phillies are smart enough to move him up on full rest on 8/27, but skipping a starter in the process, then he will play them twice.

They will have a chance if if they didn't move him up for the Mets series on Aug 26-27 to still move him up for the Mets series Sep 5-7, but if there is a rainout between now and then, they might lose that chance.

You figured out how to post that so there is at least a chance.

Short answer: no

In all seriousness, at this point I'd just like to see King Cole get back on track.

MattS wrote:Are the Phillies smart enough to start Hamels on 8/22 against the Dodgers instead of 8/23 against them? He's already starting 8/7, 8/12, and 8/17, aswe have no off-days between now and then.

If they do, Hamels can pitch 8/27 at home against the Mets instead of 8/28 against the Cubs. If Hamels starts 8/27, he will start 9/1 against Washington, and can start either 9/6 or 9/7 in NY against the Mets. If he starts 8/28, he would start 9/2 against Washington, and unless they skip a starter and pitch Hamels on 9/7 against the Mets, he would start instead against 8/8 against the Marlins.

If we simply pitched Hamels every 5th game, he would not pitch any of the 5 remaining games against the Mets. If the Phillies are smart enough to move him up on full rest on 8/27, but skipping a starter in the process, then he will play them twice.

They will have a chance if if they didn't move him up for the Mets series on Aug 26-27 to still move him up for the Mets series Sep 5-7, but if there is a rainout between now and then, they might lose that chance.

I think you obsess way too much about this Hamels/Mets thing.

it's just such an obvious thing you can do to win. it's like tagging up on a sac fly. if you can make it, why not do it? it won't necessarily change the outcome of the game, but you might as well. we're 4-9 this year against them. hamels has missed the mets the last two times when he could easily have played them. he pitches a lot of innings and keeps the bullpen fresh for the rest of the game. if starting him in one of those series had added one other game, we'd be 5 up on the mets now. it's simple and important.

MattS wrote:it's just such an obvious thing you can do to win. it's like tagging up on a sac fly. if you can make it, why not do it? it won't necessarily change the outcome of the game, but you might as well. we're 4-9 this year against them. hamels has missed the mets the last two times when he could easily have played them. he pitches a lot of innings and keeps the bullpen fresh for the rest of the game. if starting him in one of those series had added one other game, we'd be 5 up on the mets now. it's simple and important.

Not true, in each of the series where you obsess on, we won the first game (Happ on July 4 where you advocated waiting and throwing Hamels there, net net no advantage). In addition you advocated pitching him in the first game of the Mets most recent series, which the Phils won as well.

The Phils DID lose the last game of the Mets series, which conceivably Hamels could have pitched if he had started first game after ASB, but it's at least a defensible decision to give him more rest (which is why I like you probly would have just thrown him in the first game of that series, but again, net net no advantage).

So again, you're obsessing a bit too much on who Hamels faces and I'm telling you that so long as he gets his 32 starts, it doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

but the bullpen is more rested for subsequent games when he starts. chad durbin gave up that homerun to fernando tatis when he was very gassed after pitching so much in the days beforehand. had hamels pitched, they might have won anyway but not lost that sunday game.

i'm not saying it makes a difference every time. but if hamels makes 32 starts and 2 are against the mets instead of 4, he impacts the phillies/mets difference 34 times instead of 36. it adds up.

Whether starting Hamels against the Mets would have made any difference is moot. Hindsight is 20/20.

Theoretically, you want your "ace" to pitch as many games as possible against the teams that stand between you and the playoffs.

It's really not complicated.

1.) Hamels is your best pitcher and give you the best chance to win

2.) The games against the Mets are the most important of the remaining games

3.) Hamels should pitch against the Mets

It's not critical that he starts those games, but there is no valid reason not to start him in those games.

Would they skip Kendrick to do that or would there be a way to skip some other pitcher without throwing the entire rotation out of whack?

If it is up to charlie then i think it would be too much for him to figure.

lethal wrote:Would they skip Kendrick to do that or would there be a way to skip some other pitcher without throwing the entire rotation out of whack?

Well they could just swap Kendrick and Hamels.

Yes!!

as of now, the answer to this question is an emphatic NO

kendrick is currently listed as friday's starter against the dodgers. can we get a campaign going about this? we have a campaign that even zolecki is reporting to have sarcastic cheering, so there needs to be some effort to convince charlie that he needs to move hamels up.

MattS wrote:as of now, the answer to this question is an emphatic NO

kendrick is currently listed as friday's starter against the dodgers. can we get a campaign going about this? we have a campaign that even zolecki is reporting to have sarcastic cheering, so there needs to be some effort to convince charlie that he needs to move hamels up.

Your futile but noble quest is a sad one

ek wrote:well, I threw MattS a bone and already asked Radano. let's see if he approaches Charles

BTW, I'm pretty sure they are gonna say they want to give Hamels as much rest as they can

haha, awesome. i just emailed zolecki myself.

I think it's more important to get Kendrick out of the rotation entirely than moving Hamels up.

Wow, he's been even worse than I thought. 6.90 ERA in the 2nd half

philliesphhan wrote:I think it's more important to get Kendrick out of the rotation entirely than moving Hamels up.

Wow, he's been even worse than I thought. 6.90 ERA in the 2nd half

Take away Eaton's contract and this is the same pitcher. Why isn't the media asking for him to be removed from the roatation. He has been horrible.

ek wrote:well, I threw MattS a bone and already asked Radano. let's see if he approaches Charles

BTW, I'm pretty sure they are gonna say they want to give Hamels as much rest as they can

wasn't hamels pissed when he didnt pitch on normal rest and had extended rest after the break?

Radano and Lauber addressed the issue on their webcast.