On April 28, 2007, A-Rod went 0-4 with no walks so he had an OBP of .000 for that game!

(Side note: It was the only game the whole month he didn't reach base via a hit or walk)

Contract details per Cots

08:$3M, 09:$5M, 10:$5M club option ($0.5M buyout)

performance bonuses: $25,000 for 475 PAs, $50,000 for 500 PAs, $75,000 each for 525, 550 & 575 PAs, $0.1M for 600 PAs, $75,000 each for 625 & 650 PAs

award bonuses: $0.1M for MVP, $75,000 for WS MVP, $50,000 for LCS MVP, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove or All Star ($25,000 for selection)

Laexile wrote:award bonuses: $0.1M for MVP

why not make it eleventy kajillion? cause it aint happening

philliesphhan wrote:

Shore wrote:

Larry Shenk wrote:Critics have said Feliz has a lousy on-base-percentage because he doesn’t walk much. As fellow Dominican Juan Samuel once said, “We didn’t get off the island by walking. We got here swinging the bat.”

Anecdotes are always much better evaluation tools than statistics.

Although he also has a low OBP because he doesn't hit much either.

His career BABIP is .272 so clearly he is just really unlucky.

If Pete Happy wins the MVP, I'll pay him the 100 large.

Laexile wrote:Contract details per Cots

08:$3M, 09:$5M, 10:$5M club option ($0.5M buyout)

performance bonuses: $25,000 for 475 PAs, $50,000 for 500 PAs, $75,000 each for 525, 550 & 575 PAs, $0.1M for 600 PAs, $75,000 each for 625 & 650 PAs

award bonuses: $0.1M for MVP, $75,000 for WS MVP, $50,000 for LCS MVP, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove or All Star ($25,000 for selection)

Best go back and read what Cot's has more carefully. The bonuses you list are from Pedro's 2007 contract with the Giants. They're not his 2008 bonuses.

logos wrote:

Laexile wrote:Contract details per Cots

08:$3M, 09:$5M, 10:$5M club option ($0.5M buyout)

performance bonuses: $25,000 for 475 PAs, $50,000 for 500 PAs, $75,000 each for 525, 550 & 575 PAs, $0.1M for 600 PAs, $75,000 each for 625 & 650 PAs

award bonuses: $0.1M for MVP, $75,000 for WS MVP, $50,000 for LCS MVP, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove or All Star ($25,000 for selection)

Best go back and read what Cot's has more carefully. The bonuses you list are from Pedro's 2007 contract with the Giants. They're not his 2008 bonuses.

Well, fine. I don't see you posting any bonuses. Better the wrong ones than none at all.

It lists $2M in performance bonuses. I thought these spelled it out. I guess we don't know the bonuses then.

New rules say he couldn't get bonuses for getting MVP anyway. Or maybe it's one of those "top 5" finishes in MVP or something like that

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

Philadelphia's signing of free-agent third baseman Pedro Feliz - a player the Brewers looked at before signing Mike Cameron and moving Bill Hall to third - doesn't bode well for Wes Helms or Greg Dobbs, who split time at the position last season.

Because Dobbs is a left-handed hitter, he might get some action behind the right-handed-hitting Feliz. But Helms could find himself in another uniform before opening day.

"I'm still (staying positive) and I know what I can do," said Helms, a former Brewers third baseman who batted .246 with five home runs and 39 RBI in 280 at-bats last season. Dobbs, who accumulated 324 at-bats in 2007 and batted .272 with 10 homers and 55 RBI, realizes his playing time will decrease.

"For me, personally, is it a bit of a disappointment? Yeah," he told the Philadelphia Daily News. "I don't know what their plans are."

BigEd76 wrote:Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

Philadelphia's signing of free-agent third baseman Pedro Feliz - a player the Brewers looked at before signing Mike Cameron and moving Bill Hall to third - doesn't bode well for Wes Helms or Greg Dobbs, who split time at the position last season.

Because Dobbs is a left-handed hitter, he might get some action behind the right-handed-hitting Feliz. But Helms could find himself in another uniform before opening day.

"I'm still (staying positive) and I know what I can do," said Helms, a former Brewers third baseman who batted .246 with five home runs and 39 RBI in 280 at-bats last season. Dobbs, who accumulated 324 at-bats in 2007 and batted .272 with 10 homers and 55 RBI, realizes his playing time will decrease.

"For me, personally, is it a bit of a disappointment? Yeah," he told the Philadelphia Daily News. "I don't know what their plans are."

Whatever those plans are, you ain't in them, Wes!

Dobbs said that, not Helms.

It's not really clear. Pretty crap writing.

Now I know why David Simon hates newspapers so much.

It looks like the quote applies to Dobbs. Regardless neither Dobbs nor Helms look like they'll be playing a lot of 3B in '08. And it makes sense really since neither are all that good at it. Both are decent platoon/bench bats and if they are on the teram that's what they'll do. I think anything more is a stretch of what they are capable of doing.

There is no doubt Feliz has been an out machine for his entire career. It's a fact. But just out of curiosity I put a simple spreadsheet together with the formula for OBP just to see what would need to happen for his OBP to go from .290 to a much more respectable .350.

For anybody that doesn't know, here is the formula for OBP: H+BB+HBP/AB+BB+HBP+SF = OBP

Here is Feliz's 2007 line: 141+29+1 (171)/557+29+1+3 (590) = .290

Now let's say Feliz got 1 more hit and 1 more walk every 8 games (add 20 to each based on 160 games) and 1 HBP every 40 games (add 4)- Now his numbers look like this:

161+49+5 (215) / 557+49+5+3 (614) = .350

(Just a side note, if you add 20 more ABs to go along with his 20 extra hits his OBP comes out to .339)

I am not suggesting that Feliz is capable of putting up these numbers as he has proved throughout his career that he is not. Nor am I excusing the Phillies for signing Feliz- In fact I have been calling for them to acquire Ensberg for a long time. But that is not why I did this. The question that I have is, over the course of a 162 game season just how important is that extra hit and walk every 8 games? The hit could be a walk-off grand slam, a meaningless single in a 10 run game, or anything in between. Likewise the extra walk (and 4 extra HBPs for that matter) could prove to be crucial or it could mean nothing.

Trust me I understand the value of getting on base and not making outs. But after breaking it down like this, I wonder if we focus too much on OBP and look past a players strengths (in this specific example defense and above average pop... especially now that he is playing half his games at CBP) because of a bad OBP.

Phight On! wrote:I wonder if we focus too much on OBP and look past a players strengths (in this specific example defense and above average pop... especially now that he is playing half his games at CBP) because of a bad OBP.

Particularly for a team with an otherwise excellent OBP and a glaring hole at 3B

I would think getting on 40 extra times would be pretty helpful esp with a team with suspect pitching.

philliesphhan wrote:I would think getting on 40 extra times would be pretty helpful esp with a team with suspect pitching.

Sure it would be. But just how useful considering he will likely bat 7th? 5 runs? 10 runs? 1 run?

Can you honestly say you would notice if he got on base (walk or hit) 1 more time every 4 games?

Phight On! wrote:

philliesphhan wrote:I would think getting on 40 extra times would be pretty helpful esp with a team with suspect pitching.

Sure it would be. But just how useful considering he will likely bat 7th? 5 runs? 10 runs? 1 run?

Can you honestly say you would notice if he got on base (walk or hit) 1 more time every 4 games?

The Phillies offense would. This is why "watching the game" means nothing. It is at least 1 extra AB in those games for another (better player) and maybe more depending on their OBP. It also puts more runners on base to be driven in. 40 extra times is extremely beneficial without even having to run it through the old run producer.

Disco Stu wrote:

Phight On! wrote:

philliesphhan wrote:I would think getting on 40 extra times would be pretty helpful esp with a team with suspect pitching.

Sure it would be. But just how useful considering he will likely bat 7th? 5 runs? 10 runs? 1 run?

Can you honestly say you would notice if he got on base (walk or hit) 1 more time every 4 games?

The Phillies offense would. This is why "watching the game" means nothing. It is at least 1 extra AB in those games for another (better player) and maybe more depending on their OBP. It also puts more runners on base to be driven in. 40 extra times is extremely beneficial without even having to run it through the old run producer.

That's a good point that I thought of after I made that post. Wasn't it in Moneyball where they mention something like by watching the games over the course of a season you would never be able to tell the difference between a .250 hitter or a .275 hitter (or something like that)?

I think my point still stands. Do you think we often look past a player's strengths because of a bad OBP?