It's not even September yet and nobody in the history of the game has ever exceeded Rollins' totals each of the following categories: 2B - 32, 3B - 15, HR - 24, SB - 27, R - 114. The closest anyone has come is Juan Samuel in 1987. Yes, Juan Samuel. He put up: 2B - 37, 3B - 15, HR - 28, SB - 35, R - 113.

If the Phillies make the postseason, I think we will see some Jimmy Rollins for MVP talk. It won't be deserved as there are still holes in his offensive game, but he really is having a great season.

Drugs Delaney wrote:It's not even September yet and nobody in the history of the game has ever exceeded Rollins' totals each of the following categories: 2B - 32, 3B - 15, HR - 24, SB - 27, R - 114. The closest anyone has come is Juan Samuel in 1987. Yes, Juan Samuel. He put up: 2B - 37, 3B - 15, HR - 28, SB - 35, R - 113.

If the Phillies make the postseason, I think we will see some Jimmy Rollins for MVP talk. It won't be deserved as there are still holes in his offensive game, but he really is having a great season.

It's also kind of rare for someone in the MVP race to be such a superb defender, and the truth is Jimmy in the field is automatic like taxes

If you consider Rollins, you almost have to consider Hanley Ramirez, unless you can't take him cause his team sucks.

Ramirez is batting .332 with 38 doubles, 5 triples, 23 homers, 65 RBI, 42 steals, 102 runs, and a .946 OPS. He's basically beating Rollins in almost every category except for triples, runs, and RBI. And his OPS is almost 100 points higher than Jimmy.

Certainly, if you are someone who believes the MVP must come from a contender, then Jimmy is a very viable candidate. But statistically, he's not even the best at his position in the NL, by a longshot.

He's good, but he's no....

Aside from here is this being discussed nationally? I do not have time for sport radio (especially here in DC) and ESPN is just not convenient to swim through the tripe to get what I am after.

Rollins has gotten mention in MVP talk already, problem is that if the phils make the playoffs there are possibly 2 other players on the roster, rightly or wrongly, who will garner more MVP talk than Rollins does.

Plus, He's seen by some as the 3rd best SS in his division.

He'll probably garner votes and end up in the top 10, but making the playoffs I don't feel helps his candidacy, though it would help utley and or howard...this is from various ESPN chats and blogs and such though

I presume Utley should get some MVP talk--his injury notwithstanding.

Phan Paul wrote:his injury notwithstanding.

It wasn't, it was with his hand

Grotewold wrote:

Phan Paul wrote:his injury notwithstanding.

It wasn't, it was with his hand

badumtssss!

jemagee wrote:Rollins has gotten mention in MVP talk already, problem is that if the phils make the playoffs there are possibly 2 other players on the roster, rightly or wrongly, who will garner more MVP talk than Rollins does.

Plus, He's seen by some as the 3rd best SS in his division.

He'll probably garner votes and end up in the top 10, but making the playoffs I don't feel helps his candidacy, though it would help utley and or howard...this is from various ESPN chats and blogs and such though

unfortunately, jimmy's going to have a hard time not getting overshadowed every year in this division. of course, if he's part of the team that helps bring the WS title back to philadelphia, i'm sure that will more than make up for it

dr beardface wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

Phan Paul wrote:his injury notwithstanding.

It wasn't, it was with his hand

badumtssss!

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did you mean no shortstop has surpassed this in the history of the phillies rather than in the history of the game? i must be missing something, because i think a-rod had a few 50 HR seasons at SS didn't he. rollins is a great player, but him dominating phillies shortstops of yesteryear statistically is wholly unimpressive and assumed to be the case as far as i'm concerned. it's a different position today than it was up until the 80s, they bother to put offense there rather than picking shitty hitters who are kind of wiry and fast for some ungodly reason.

milton bernard thompson wrote:did you mean no shortstop has surpassed this in the history of the phillies rather than in the history of the game? i must be missing something, because i think a-rod had a few 50 HR seasons at SS didn't he. rollins is a great player, but him dominating phillies shortstops of yesteryear statistically is wholly unimpressive and assumed to be the case as far as i'm concerned. it's a different position today than it was up until the 80s, they bother to put offense there rather than picking $#@! hitters who are kind of wiry and fast for some ungodly reason.

ARod never had 15 triples

FTN wrote:He's good, but he's no....

Amazing a guy could be having that kind of a season with just one leg

MoBettle wrote:

milton bernard thompson wrote:did you mean no shortstop has surpassed this in the history of the phillies rather than in the history of the game? i must be missing something, because i think a-rod had a few 50 HR seasons at SS didn't he. rollins is a great player, but him dominating phillies shortstops of yesteryear statistically is wholly unimpressive and assumed to be the case as far as i'm concerned. it's a different position today than it was up until the 80s, they bother to put offense there rather than picking $#@! hitters who are kind of wiry and fast for some ungodly reason.

ARod never had 15 triples

He just hit 57 HRs...

milton bernard thompson wrote:did you mean no shortstop has surpassed this in the history of the phillies rather than in the history of the game? i must be missing something, because i think a-rod had a few 50 HR seasons at SS didn't he. rollins is a great player, but him dominating phillies shortstops of yesteryear statistically is wholly unimpressive and assumed to be the case as far as i'm concerned. it's a different position today than it was up until the 80s, they bother to put offense there rather than picking $#@! hitters who are kind of wiry and fast for some ungodly reason.

Read my post again a little more closely. No single player in the history of the game has put up numbers that exceed the ones Rollins has already put up this season before September. There's no qualifier in this. Not just Phillies or shortstops. It's every single player ever. None have done what Jimmy has done.

Sure, it's arbitrary and I'm not saying he's even the best player on his team, but the season he's had thus far is truly remarkable.

Drugs Delaney wrote:

milton bernard thompson wrote:did you mean no shortstop has surpassed this in the history of the phillies rather than in the history of the game? i must be missing something, because i think a-rod had a few 50 HR seasons at SS didn't he. rollins is a great player, but him dominating phillies shortstops of yesteryear statistically is wholly unimpressive and assumed to be the case as far as i'm concerned. it's a different position today than it was up until the 80s, they bother to put offense there rather than picking $#@! hitters who are kind of wiry and fast for some ungodly reason.

Read my post again a little more closely. No single player in the history of the game has put up numbers that exceed the ones Rollins has already put up this season before September. There's no qualifier in this. Not just Phillies or shortstops. It's every single player ever. None have done what Jimmy has done.

Sure, it's arbitrary and I'm not saying he's even the best player on his team, but the season he's had thus far is truly remarkable.

I think he has had the most PAs in the history of the game before September.

Disco Stu wrote:I think he has had the most PAs in the history of the game before September.

That's quite likely true. Of course, this is no fault of Jimmy Rollins'. Things like that will happen for the guy who bats leadoff and doesn't miss a game for a high scoring team.

Disco Stu wrote:
I think he has had the most PAs in the history of the game before September.

Lenny Dykstra had almost the same in 1993. In fact, Rollins is on pace to have about 2 less for the year.

If you wanna read my take on it...

http://www.thegoodphight.com/story/2007/8/25/85718/9221