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Postby FTN » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:07:31

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VoxOrion wrote:I don't know the episode title, but the episode where Dr. Melfi is raped always blows me away.

No single episode of anything puts a greater exclamation point on morality and challenges the audience to a greater degree than this one. In most other situations the audience is along for the "ride" (or vicarious shock/thrill) in experiencing the difference between what Tony & Crew can get away with versus what you and I can - but in this story, the writers challenge the audience to want Tony's freedom to break the law so desperately, despite the challenge of whether or not we should. This episode is just an absolute masterpiece of writing. The last five minutes are a mind-numbing emotional experience. I was literally breathless at the end.


I've always thought it was the moral center of gravity for the series, potential tipping point, whatever you want to call it. And all of it from that pregnant pause at the very end after Tony says, "Do you have something you want to tell me?" Knowing that Melfi could have had revenge/justice, but at the cost of falling fully into Tony's orbit, which means eventual destruction.

I absolutely cannot watch the rape scene ever again.


I remember after that saying "well, that guy is finished" figuring that she'd tell Tony even if she didnt really want to and that would set off a chain reaction. I kept expecting it for a few episodes, but it never happened. Which, in retrospect, was a great thing.

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Postby Grotewold » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:12:20

Penisary contact with her volvo

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Postby Bakestar » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:14:26

I really liked Chase's willingness to let open plot threads drift off, i.e., the Russian in the Pine Barrens, Ralphie's comatose son, the aborted Season 6 "Where's Ade?" sleuthing by Carmela, etc. It was a great understated way to emphasize the far-reaching chaos left in Tony's wake.


Another favorite: Gene Pontecorvo's inheritance storyline. And how he has to kill himself to save his family, because both Tony and the FBI won't let him out. A great performance for a really marginal character.
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Postby FTN » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:18:33

Bakestar wrote:I really liked Chase's willingness to let open plot threads drift off, i.e., the Russian in the Pine Barrens, Ralphie's comatose son, the aborted Season 6 "Where's Ade?" sleuthing by Carmela, etc. It was a great understated way to emphasize the far-reaching chaos left in Tony's wake.


Another favorite: Gene Pontecorvo's inheritance storyline. And how he has to kill himself to save his family, because both Tony and the FBI won't let him out. A great performance for a really marginal character.


Yeah, I read an interview with Chase where he says, basically, that not everything needs to be answered, because in the real world not every conflict has a resolution, or something like that.

The storylines revolving around the minor characters are what made the show for me. They could have easily kept the number of principles to only the likes of Sil, Paulie, Vito, Big P and not ever developed minor characters, but thats what made it great for me. But it seemed like there was always so much going on, you had to keep up with who was who and what they were doing.

Livia and Janice were easily my two least favorite characters, but its pretty obvious that was by design

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Postby gr » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:31:52

did anyone like the steve buschemi character/arc? i didn't really care for it.

on the whole, casting michael imperioli as christopher was an absolute stroke of genius and really made the whole show. his character made pauli's character better, which of course turned the pine barrens into the fantastic episode that it was.
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Postby FTN » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:35:21

the buscemi character kind of fit the "reformed criminal" line with the obvious relapse, but the fact that they made his relapse a major headache for the rest of the family was well done. they could have easily made it into a job gone bad where he gets killed, instead of him killing Phil's brother and creating massive issues for Tony

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Postby Bakestar » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:45:40

Even though it was a one-off episode made necessary by Nancy Marchand's death, I really liked the Season Three premiere, which tracks the FBI's efforts to infiltrate and plant the bug in Tony's basement. Especially the agents' reactions to seeing Adrianna in her tennis outfit.

Silly episode, but I liked it.
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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Mon Jul 27, 2009 13:13:36

Artie Bucco is my favorite

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Postby Grotewold » Mon Jul 27, 2009 13:18:02

Houshphandzadeh wrote:Artie Bucco is my favorite


The one where he was flirting with the European hostess, who ended up ripping him off and laughing at him

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Postby dajafi » Mon Jul 27, 2009 13:49:27

I liked the Buscemi character arc for two reasons. One, it deepened Tony: the range of emotions his cousin brought out in him was wider than anyone else with the possible exception of Junior, and I think Buscemi's acting and directing (I'm pretty sure he directed a bunch of those episodes) got even more out of Gandolfini than usual.

Two, Tony B's struggle to "go straight" at such a late point showed us something in the series we hadn't seen to that point: how better "the life" is for people who were already so far down that road than going legit possibly could be. That Tony Soprano occasionally played the same drama, at least internally, made this more powerful: he wanted to see Buscemi succeed, but there was also a strong element of "fuck him, why should he get out and thrive while I still have to deal with the likes of Paulie and Phil?"

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Postby jeff2sf » Mon Jul 27, 2009 14:04:27

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I enjoyed the Cutty redemption arc a whole lot more than than the Blundetto one. Maybe as simple as a relatively happy ending, but given how dark both of those shows are/were, is it all that bad to give us a bone occasionally?



Also, I realize it's probably obvious to everyone but me, but Jackie Jr. in Season 3, was Tony trying to make Ralphie change his mind and have him whacked, or was he just trying to make sure that Ralphie had to take responsibility for the decision and fallout?
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Postby Bakestar » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:04:28

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Also, I realize it's probably obvious to everyone but me, but Jackie Jr. in Season 3, was Tony trying to make Ralphie change his mind and have him whacked, or was he just trying to make sure that Ralphie had to take responsibility for the decision and fallout?


The latter, I'm guessing, based on Ralphie's decision and Tony's weird inflection when giving him the "instructions."
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Postby 21McBride » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:13:49

Tony implicitly lays much of the blame for Jackie Jr.'s bad turn on Ralphie and also uses Ralphie's new position as captain as leverage, with the understanding that he needs to make tough decisions.

I also love the scene where Vito (pretending to be Tony) calls Ralphie from the parking lot to trick Paulie and Sil into thinking that Tony favors Ralphie.
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Postby FTN » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:42:09

"Guy killed 16 Czecheslovakians! He was an interior decorator!"

"Really? His house looked like shit"

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Postby WilliamC » Mon Jul 27, 2009 19:23:51

FTN wrote:"Guy killed 16 Czecheslovakians! He was an interior decorator!"

"Really? His house looked like $#@!"


I'm glad I wasn't eating or drinking anything at the time I heard this quote because I would have choked. Classic.


On another note I hated Ralphie and I wish Tony would have made his death even more painful.
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Postby Grotewold » Mon Jul 27, 2009 22:22:54

WilliamC wrote:
FTN wrote:"Guy killed 16 Czecheslovakians! He was an interior decorator!"

"Really? His house looked like $#@!"


I'm glad I wasn't eating or drinking anything at the time I heard this quote because I would have choked. Classic.


The best. I also loved Christopher's quote below (and Tony's exasperated eye roll)

“Highway's jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive"

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Postby Philssj » Mon Jul 27, 2009 22:44:41

I always liked the episode where Tony runs the executive card game. I don't remember if it was Sil or Paulie that calls Sinatra Jr., "Chairboy of the Board".
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Postby FTN » Mon Jul 27, 2009 23:50:18

another epic Paulie moment is Tony showing up at his house and seeing the painting of himself on the wall.

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Postby FTN » Tue Jul 28, 2009 01:36:19

I just put the Pilot on. Its amazing how much Tony changes throughout the series, especially his accent/speech

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Postby WilliamC » Tue Jul 28, 2009 03:49:22

Another good Paulie moment. I also like when he beats the kids legs to a pulp because he goes about himself in pity cause the kids mom doesn't want him hurt. It was on the dock.

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