Do you like/listen to Jazz?

Where are you with Jazz music?

I like it here and there, don't know too much about it
17
38%
I like it and know it mostly through its use in HipHop
0
No votes
I listen to Jazz maybe 20% of the time
5
11%
Jazz is a regular part of my listening life
9
20%
Huge Jazz head
4
9%
Don't like it or don't get it
10
22%
 
Total votes : 45

Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Sep 11, 2010 16:22:24

drsmooth wrote:Kid, I'm right now listening to a Jackie McLean performance of Charles Tolliver's Right Now, and thinking to myself that I've almost certainly listened to that piece at least twice as many times as either fellow did in their lifetimes (Tolliver still lives, so he might catch me, but...).

And for me, it's still new.

what are we to make of that?


I had a professor in music school who talked about coming back to an art work and making new discoveries. He said that music that was fertile in the way had a lot of what he called "middle-ground", that most music had fore-ground and background, but that music deep with middle-ground and where things shifted between the levels was the music that allowed to keep coming back to it and experiencing it in new ways.

There is also interpretation. There is a well known famous Piano Sonata by Chopin, the B Minor. Beautiful piece of Chopin and his heights. I first heard it at 15 years old and have been collecting versions of it for years. I got a version maybe 15 years ago? Maybe a little longer -- and it was from a master pianist who had recorded it early in his career and now again later in his career-- it was like hearing the piece anew, because he had such a deep understanding of the piece and the style and the composer and such control and depth -- that he was able to still play the notes, and yet deliver something unlike the 15 other recordings I had heard over the years... it blew me away.

That's great.

The cool thing about Jazz, is that certain tunes are done over n over n over as vehicles to present new ideas.

You listen to the original of Moment's Notice on Blue Trane and then listen to the version McCoy Tyner does on Super Trios in 1977!!!??!! And you really learn something about how the music moved forwards.

There's an old jazz singer Chris Conner, I had an old Bethlehem recording of her doing a tune called "Blame it on my Youth" that she recorded in her 20's in the mid-50's, she recorded the same tune again 30 years later in her late 50's -- it's amazing to hear the contrast.

I'm sure that many BSGers that don't follow jazz do enjoy covers of songs they are familiar with.

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Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Sep 11, 2010 16:26:02

drsmooth wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote: my opinion is not that of a casual observer nor formed quickly.


so.

$#@!.

what.


Do you want to discuss wine with a beer swilling Frat boy of 21, or with a guy who has been making wine for 40 years and is articulate and knowledgable?

Doesn't mean you have to be trained to like something, or even have an astute comment to make, but if someone puts a provocative statement out there, you may want to know a bit about their history and background to be in a position to make the statement.

You took me to task, because I expressed an opinion. Now you want to dismiss that I may hold any expertise or that anyone CAN have expertise and that it could be meaningful?

Is the theme here, that everything is subjective, people like what they like, big deal. No need for any other discussion. Forget better and worse, forget right or wrong, eveyrthing is equal. If people like it, that's all that matters. That's the theme?

C'mon.

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Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Sep 11, 2010 19:32:52

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chyl8qG6U0M[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHEFmde7zFs&feature=related[/youtube]

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Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Sep 11, 2010 19:33:30

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcvTNdqyI2Q&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-xRldjmfwg&feature=fvw[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YVOd1hK0_w&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOc_EwdE7Kk&feature=fvw[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS-xiX64HGQ&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIPIc3bkYoc&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8syiOwwVyY&a=GxdCwVVULXdUCzQmykfyoOk-iLR1jjXF&list=ML&playnext=1[/youtube]


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrKShqNkcnI&feature=related[/youtube]

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Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Sep 11, 2010 20:28:10

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8_aA-F2AhE&feature=related[/youtube]

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Postby drsmooth » Tue Sep 14, 2010 18:11:24

Julian Joseph: Joining Jazz and Baseball

I'm not familiar with Joseph, but saw this interview & thought jazz fans here would be interested in the subject-matter pairing in his self-described "jazz opera", titled Shadowball.

The article's discussion of Shadowball is just part of the 4-page piece. The section focused on Shadowball actually begins with the last 3-4 sentences of page 2.
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Postby drsmooth » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:43:59

alto savant Art Pepper's widow, Laurie - whom Pepper under-credits in his harrowing, riveting autobiography, Straight Life, for him living long enough to produce that account - is taking an interesting tack against european record producers who are, legally under european law, marketing Pepper recordings without paying royalties back to his estate.

Basically, she's ripped their recording, has put the result up on CD Baby, priced it at 1/3 or less of what the euros are charging, and is of course routing the proceeds to her.

THIS IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OR CONDEMNATION OF COPYRIGHT LAW, here, or in Europe. My personal feeling is that there is a very valuable place for copyright, but that like so many of our foundational institutions (gov't, MLB, etc), the 'blueprint', the 'operating manual' for copyright is in need of major overhaul.

I just think fiesty little Laurie Pepper is doing something pretty - well - feisty. Pepper the man was mostly a loathsome wretch - his music, sublime. Laurie will never get rich from keeping his music available, but if anyone's entitled to some reward for doing so, she'd be first in my line.
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Postby drsmooth » Sun Oct 24, 2010 02:52:15

ok ok, healing process, etc

Sarah Vaughan's Autumn Leaves at Grooveshark.

If summer has to be over, this is one heluva way to go out
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Postby SK790 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 03:03:31

Naima just came on my iTunes. Very nice song to heal the blues.

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Postby Wizlah » Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:06:20

So I'm listenin' to the radio, and they play billie holliday's version of strange fruit from the 30s which I've never heard before. I know nina simone's version fine, and it's distressed and heart rending and despairing, but this thing is a different beast. It's full of a kind of macabre curiousity, and to my ears there's nary a touch of sadness to it, making it all the more horrific. It's about as perfect a picture as you could paint with music.

Man, it's some tune that can sound that different in the hands of two classy musicians. Mind you, I guess not many tunes are lucky to have those two folks sing 'em.
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Postby Slowhand » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:40:15

I remember about two years ago listening to the BB King Blues channel on Sirius, and they were playing an interview with BB in which he talked about how he would see lynched blacks while walking to school and talked about it like it was just a common occurrence, which, I guess, it was. And he told about how he saw a young black guy being dragged by a car through the center of town with his intestines hanging out.

I mean, I knew that stuff happened, but it always seemed like ancient history to me. To hear it from someone like BB King and the fact that, really, this stuff was happening not that long ago really hit hard. They then played Billie Holiday's version of Strange Fruit, which I had never heard before. It was chilling.
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Postby drsmooth » Sat Dec 04, 2010 20:11:44

Slowhand wrote:I remember about two years ago listening to the BB King Blues channel on Sirius, and they were playing an interview with BB in which he talked about how he would see lynched blacks while walking to school and talked about it like it was just a common occurrence, which, I guess, it was. And he told about how he saw a young black guy being dragged by a car through the center of town with his intestines hanging out.

I mean, I knew that stuff happened, but it always seemed like ancient history to me. To hear it from someone like BB King and the fact that, really, this stuff was happening not that long ago really hit hard. They then played Billie Holiday's version of Strange Fruit, which I had never heard before. It was chilling.


here she is, for anyone who is not aware:
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Postby drsmooth » Sat Dec 04, 2010 20:54:50

s'anyway, for those who plan ahead:

NYC Winter Jazzfest 2011, January 7-8, NYC New York, NY USA
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Postby Bucky » Sat Dec 04, 2010 20:57:26

i'm thinkin' somebody better scour the bay area obits for oct. 25 onward

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Postby FTN » Fri Dec 10, 2010 21:33:42

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCzqfKw71Yw[/youtube]

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Postby FTN » Thu Jan 06, 2011 23:41:17

Zorn, Milford Graves and Bill Laswell on NYE

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTf9BUWQwdw[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pr75Uj9Ow[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqHVQXPaqwg[/youtube]

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Postby drsmooth » Fri Jan 07, 2011 19:06:22

FTN wrote:Zorn, Milford Graves and Bill Laswell on NYE


Thanks, FTN - were you there? Good stuff, either way

Will be in NYC on Bleecker Street tomorrow night, to hear a variety of musicians, not any of these gents that I know of (though there will likely be kids like the one in the last(?) clip)
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Postby drsmooth » Fri Jan 14, 2011 09:17:44

Some great performances at this year's NYC Winter Jazzfest

My favorites: Jackie Terrasson/Ben Williams/Jamire Williams, and Ari Hoenig/Jean-Michel Pilc/Francois Mouton, but it was a hotly contested vote
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Postby FTN » Tue Jan 25, 2011 01:12:18

enjoy

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzLFxTgU-fQ[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKmNqkFo-H4[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAfHkkPPgTs[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlPpQW_phK0[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSybI8VVCFM[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL-luyNp4yQ[/youtube]

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