Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil rights)

Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Aug 26, 2020 16:33:17

Houshphandzadeh wrote:why the rush to qualify the murder in the first place? if we're past the days of measuring the skirt lengths of rape victims, can't we move past this type of rationalization as well?

moreover, when people say things like 'the same thing would have happened to a white guy in that situation,' it's ignoring such a mountain of evidence compiled by so many different government agencies, universities, and non-profits as to be akin to anti-vaccine movements or climate change denial

EDIT: upon reflection, I guess we're not really past those days but it's nice to dream


I thought it was stupid to reach into his car when he knew the gun was pointed at him and I said that was a mistake. You should know me well enough by now whose side I'm on.

I should say that I also had a gun drawn on me by a cop and so my view is somewhat colored by that experience. I certainly know black people will get shot much faster than white people. I'd have to be an idiot to not know that. But I do think in a situation where the cop has his gun drawn, it's quite likely a white guy gets shot in that situation if they reach into a car. That's all I was saying. By the way, I had the gun drawn on me because I reached under my seat to get my registration. I was on a first date with a girl and she couldn't believe it happened. He also shoved my head against the hood of my car, basically because I reached under my seat without permission and then asked what the fuck he was doing drawing a gun on me. I couldn't find my registration is the only thing I did wrong beyond giving him some lip. The girl I was with was some church-going nice girl and she nearly had a heart attack. I looked like a hippie at the time and cops do target hippies, as any hippie will tell you. Not the same way they target blacks, but they certainly are targeted. Maybe I would have gotten shot if I was black. And that was in NH.

Look, I'm genuinely sorry if I gave the wrong impression. If he knew the gun was drawn (and it now seems that wasn't the case), I think it was stupid to reach into his car and bring that cop and gun near his kids. That doesn't mean he deserved to get shot. That doesn't mean that it's right that we live in such a society. That doesn't mean we shouldn't punish this cop and any others who react this way. That doesn't mean there's not racism in the police force. And it certainly doesn't mean I don't have Blake's back. I should have learned more about the situation before commenting.

Mea culpa.
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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Aug 26, 2020 16:42:16

CalvinBall wrote:And simply contrast Blake with the white guy two days later who murdered two people and was still carrying his gun while casually walking towards police.


I think that's mostly explained by the fact that we live in a moronic gun culture where the guns are more important than people. I see your point about the difference in treatment, but your original comment acted like people here were saying the cops should have shot Blake and let the kid go. Nobody said that. I certainly never said Blake should have been shot. I said it was dumb to reach into his car with a gun on him (which turned out not to be the case). And nobody said the kid should have been treated differently. Nobody.
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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby Gimpy » Wed Aug 26, 2020 16:51:58

I think your clarification (and rescinding of comments made without all of the facts) is fair and we should probably not waste effort attacking each other over things where we all fundamentally agree.

That fucking murderer and the militia who were with him and the police who enabled them should all go to fucking jail.

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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Aug 26, 2020 17:06:28

didn't mean to put it all on you like that or attack you, MB. just frustrated

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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed Aug 26, 2020 17:38:49

Monkeyboy wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:And simply contrast Blake with the white guy two days later who murdered two people and was still carrying his gun while casually walking towards police.


I think that's mostly explained by the fact that we live in a moronic gun culture where the guns are more important than people. I see your point about the difference in treatment, but your original comment acted like people here were saying the cops should have shot Blake and let the kid go. Nobody said that. I certainly never said Blake should have been shot. I said it was dumb to reach into his car with a gun on him (which turned out not to be the case). And nobody said the kid should have been treated differently. Nobody.


I didn't say you said he should be shot. I didn't even name you. You got very defensive about it though.

It was what happened. White kid does bad crime nothing happens. Black guy does nothing and people are like welllll he should have complied.

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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby momadance » Wed Aug 26, 2020 17:47:56

The Illinois teenager accused of killing two people in Kenosha, Wisconsin may have been part of a group of people who asked to be deputized, according to Sheriff David Beth.

“Yesterday, I had a person call me and say why don’t you deputize citizens who have guns to come out and patrol the city of Kenosha? And I’m like oh, hell no. What happened last night… is probably the perfect reason why I wouldn’t,” he said Wednesday during a press conference.

“I don’t know this for sure, but the incident that happened last night where two people lost their lives, I think [the shooter] was part of this group that wanted me to deputize them,” Beth added. If he had deputized them, that “would have been one deputy sheriff who killed two people.”

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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Aug 26, 2020 17:55:20

we're going to get such a detailed breakdown of every mean word ever said to that kid that led him to be radicalized

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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby Gimpy » Wed Aug 26, 2020 17:55:53

If these idiots talked about firing on protestors on their way to “keep the peace” or whatever stupid shit they claim they were trying to accomplish, couldn’t they all be tried for murder since they’re conspirators?

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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby momadance » Wed Aug 26, 2020 17:59:39

Gimpy wrote:If these idiots talked about firing on protestors on their way to “keep the peace” or whatever stupid shit they claim they were trying to accomplish, couldn’t they all be tried for murder since they’re conspirators?


It's possible. The FBI has taken over the investigation.

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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Aug 26, 2020 18:00:39

CalvinBall wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:And simply contrast Blake with the white guy two days later who murdered two people and was still carrying his gun while casually walking towards police.


I think that's mostly explained by the fact that we live in a moronic gun culture where the guns are more important than people. I see your point about the difference in treatment, but your original comment acted like people here were saying the cops should have shot Blake and let the kid go. Nobody said that. I certainly never said Blake should have been shot. I said it was dumb to reach into his car with a gun on him (which turned out not to be the case). And nobody said the kid should have been treated differently. Nobody.


I didn't say you said he should be shot. I didn't even name you. You got very defensive about it though.

It was what happened. White kid does bad crime nothing happens. Black guy does nothing and people are like welllll he should have complied.


I thought it was clear it was directed at me. Maybe it wasn't, but the wording made me think so.

But I think we all agree here. I'm horrified by what his kids had to witness. We went for a hike last week here and I scrambled down a hill to get a mushroom and my youngest started screaming because she was afraid I was going to fall. I can't imagine how they would react if I was getting shot.
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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby Stay_Disappointed » Wed Aug 26, 2020 18:52:04

Monkeyboy wrote:
stevemc wrote:and if you are worried about what he MIGHT do by going to the car door, you have 3 cops there! How about you try to restrain him rather than shoot him?!



I almost posted that yesterday when I first watched the video. The other two cops are basically bystanders and could have helped keep the guy from getting to his car in the first place.


What if the dude was walking over to the drivers side door like he was going to leave and at the last minute said I’m going to get my gun and start shooting?
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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby 1 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 20:05:35

My idiot brother-in-law is an idiot.

https://imgur.com/a/kEUEz3d
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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby momadance » Wed Aug 26, 2020 20:08:37

1 wrote:My idiot brother-in-law is an idiot.

https://imgur.com/a/kEUEz3d


Yes. I'm glad I'm no longer on facebook to see what kind of shit my gf's brother is posting.

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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby momadance » Wed Aug 26, 2020 20:13:16

azrider wrote:Image


This dude is wearing rubber gloves for a reason. Enjoy your stay at ADX Florence, GI Joe.

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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed Aug 26, 2020 21:22:04

ReadingPhilly wrote:tucker carlson praising the shooter

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1298774 ... 73889?s=20


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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby azrider » Wed Aug 26, 2020 22:22:19

ReadingPhilly wrote:tucker carlson praising the shooter

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1298774 ... 73889?s=20


Great, fucking recruit more disillusioned kids to fan the fuel of hate and violence.

#problemwithamerica

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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Aug 26, 2020 22:46:45




Good, let's start pointing out the connections between the rhetoric and their actions.
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Re: Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil righ

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Aug 26, 2020 22:49:17

Stay_Disappointed wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
stevemc wrote:and if you are worried about what he MIGHT do by going to the car door, you have 3 cops there! How about you try to restrain him rather than shoot him?!



I almost posted that yesterday when I first watched the video. The other two cops are basically bystanders and could have helped keep the guy from getting to his car in the first place.


What if the dude was walking over to the drivers side door like he was going to leave and at the last minute said I’m going to get my gun and start shooting?


That would suck. Welcome to America.

But I think the answer to that question is in the 2nd half of the 2nd sentence
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