Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby Bucky » Mon Jan 20, 2020 09:49:16

Well don't keep us in suspense

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby JUburton » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:02:26

College Grad: 57/36 Hillary (+21D)
Non CG: 43/50 Trump (+7R)

White CG: 55/38 (+17D)
White Non CG: 28/64 Trump (+36R)

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby JUburton » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:13:21

lol nyt editorial board

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:02:19

Photos from Richmond are something. So many pudgy white guys decked in fatigues, vests, and big ol guns.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Jan 20, 2020 13:06:14

thephan wrote:Pulling shows that 83% of farmers approve of Trump. That is a all time high for him with those folks, and one needs to wonder about their reasoning as it’s been reported to be not a great year for farmers especially with the tariffs.


The category "farmer" is pretty elastic. For example, lots of people around here have a small herd of cattle, but make their living doing something else. On top of that, many farmers like deregulation. Of course, that sucks for anyone who has to eat or something.
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Jan 20, 2020 13:11:18

They also love when government checks show up in their mail box because they've earned it. Not so much when others get checks because they're lazy and conning the system.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Jan 20, 2020 13:25:18

The other think is Trump's approval rating are pretty impervious to events. He's actually down a bit today in the Rasmussen poll, which strikes me as weird, since you've got people out there pumping the record dow and such, and it looks like the assassination of Sulimani did not have any immediate negative repercussions.
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby Werthless » Mon Jan 20, 2020 16:48:25

Wolfgang622 wrote:
Uncle Milty wrote:
Warszawa wrote:
Wolfgang622 wrote:
Warszawa wrote:despite that knowledge the uneducated masses are still susceptible to it’s message


Phrases like this one don't help.


Yes but true

An educated electorate is the best way to prevent leaders like trump

Disagree with this from my experience, at least as a blanket statement. Education level and even intelligence don't indicate Trump approval or disapproval.


True fact: Hillary won two segments of voters when analyzed by income, the two at $50,000 a year or less.

President Trump won every other segment, starting at $50,001 and on up. Not by heroic margins necessarily, but win them all he did.

Guess which segments “educated” people tend to come from?

JUBurton demonstrated that we don't need more high income people to vote, we need more educated people among the voters.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby PhillieMooDo » Tue Jan 21, 2020 03:06:10

Man, these rules for the trial are fucking gross. Fuck the entire GOP. Not sure a single one is worth the air he/she breathes.
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jan 21, 2020 09:35:29

I'll take Overreactions for $800, Alex

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby thephan » Tue Jan 21, 2020 09:49:26

The limits on the press to pens and paper supplied by the congress, and control of any type of television coverage including what CSPAN may or may not be allowed to broadcast does smack of authoritarianism in its traditional definition. Also, that start at 1300 daily and limit to 12 hours a day for not more then 2 days seems unusually/impressively restrictive.
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Jan 21, 2020 09:54:16

Oh yeah, I mean it is designed so the fewest amount of people see it. JH is a McConnell water boy though so you can't get him to agree there.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:03:55

I liked Hillary more than most, and I think she has valid points. But there’s apparently an interview or something coming out where she goes after Bernie hard.

Even if you want to argue she makes good points (I’m not) this is not the time unless you’re going to endorse someone. And now she’s going to be toxic to many non-candidates until the general.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:03:57

CalvinBall wrote:Oh yeah, I mean it is designed so the fewest amount of people see it. JH is a McConnell water boy though so you can't get him to agree there.

The impeachment managers getting two days to present their case instead of the three used in 1999 is not worth the controversy McConnell is eating to make the shift, but it's also really not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Something short of fucking gross, and several things short of saying tens of millions of Americans aren't worth the air they breathe.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby JUburton » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:15:24

slugsrbad wrote:I liked Hillary more than most, and I think she has valid points. But there’s apparently an interview or something coming out where she goes after Bernie hard.

Even if you want to argue she makes good points (I’m not) this is not the time unless you’re going to endorse someone. And now she’s going to be toxic to many non-candidates until the general.

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This is why people are like 'go away'. And it's not because she's a woman.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby thephan » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:15:45

I think JH rightfully categorizes the "air" comment as over the top (but also, hey, its a message board) while also not taking "the GOP" as all citizen's identifying as republicans (so I'll see your over reaction, and raise you as I am pretty sure this was directed at serving politicians), and I am not sure JH's disposition on the impeachment proceeding with the Turtle rules aside from his public comment above. He's clearly not in love with the de facto leader of the grand old party.
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:03:45

Dems need to campaign on every level, particularly in the suburbs, that the Republican Party is the Trump party. For for any R, you're voting for Trump.

The fact that the process is rigged takes wind out of the "exonerated" sails. Sure the Republicans are going to be spouting it, but no one's mind will be changed.

And of course, this was all known from the start. However, I wonder...McConnell is shrewd. There was talk that the impeachment hearings might make things difficult for D Senators, particularly those running for President. But by cutting the process short, McConnell is calculating that a longer hearing is worse for the Republicans.
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:31:41

Senator Mitt Romney, Republican of Utah and former Republican presidential candidate, issued a statement to his constituents on Tuesday, pledging to “do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws.” All senators took that pledge, but any votes were still expected to be along party lines.

Mr. Romney is one of a handful of Republicans who have said they would be open to a vote on whether to call witnesses, something the Democrats have been demanding. In his statement, Mr. Romney said he would not support efforts to hold a vote on whether to call witnesses until after opening arguments are complete, which, under the majority leader Senator Mitch McConnell’s plan could be next week.

On Monday, Mr. Romney said he supported Mr. McConnell’s proposed rules.


Romney tells constituents not to expect him to support calling witnesses before opening arguments.

Mitt hasn't lost his flip-flop touch.
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:35:41

Much like Collins flip flopped last week from having a position for the past month to keeping that same position, so has Mitt. Their contortions in being consistent is, I am sure, maddening.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:37:31

I knew my post would be a Bat Signal for you!
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