Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Squire » Wed May 29, 2019 11:05:56

1. Closing the Russia Probe
2. Resigning from the DOJ
3. Somewhat repeating the Written conclusions of his report (not the Barr summary)
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Wed May 29, 2019 11:07:31

Start the suicide watch for your most liberal friends. Reasserting that the president is beyond reproach per DOJ policy.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Wed May 29, 2019 11:08:40

It's basically a reiteration of the report and a subtweet of the Barr letter.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Wed May 29, 2019 11:10:49

NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION, NO QUESTIONS

OK, only the last one. He does not want to visit congress.

"If we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

The 'cannot keep charges under seal until the end of the term of office' was significant too.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby CFP » Wed May 29, 2019 11:13:19

He basically said DOJ rules didn’t allow him to indict the president but it’s up to Congress to do their jobs and impeach

Aka what he said in the report

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Wed May 29, 2019 11:19:16

Biggest take away, Robert Mueller sounded exactly as I expected.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby heyeaglefn » Wed May 29, 2019 11:27:40

So that was a waste of money pretty much since Congress won't do anything.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Wed May 29, 2019 11:31:01

heyeaglefn wrote:So that was a waste of money pretty much since Congress won't do anything.


It generated a profit from the crooks they locked up. If asset forfeiture is allowed to pay for "the wall", Don's cronies ironically will be financiers of him dream.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Wed May 29, 2019 11:32:11

CFP wrote:He basically said DOJ rules didn’t allow him to indict the president but it’s up to Congress to do their jobs and impeach

Aka what he said in the report

He's simply not explicit enough.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Wed May 29, 2019 11:41:16

old news, nothing to see here, vindicated, case closed - DJT
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby momadance » Wed May 29, 2019 11:48:22

At least he went from NO COLLUSION NO OBSTRUCTION to "insufficient evidence"

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Roger Dorn » Wed May 29, 2019 11:54:04

We have a monarchy, and executive beyond reproach due to DOJ guidelines that say you can’t indict the King. You can get away with anything as President and never be held accountable, unlike the private sector. What a great gig.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Wed May 29, 2019 12:12:02

some dude on CNN thinks that Mueller was there to light a fire under congress and tell them to do their job. that spin is so hard I am dizzy.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Roger Dorn » Wed May 29, 2019 12:13:12

thephan wrote:some dude on CNN thinks that Mueller was there to light a fire under congress and tell them to do their job. that spin is so hard I am dizzy.


Too bad he didn’t explicitly tell Congress to do just that.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Wed May 29, 2019 12:23:53

That was basically the subtext. He's obviously not going to say that.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Wed May 29, 2019 12:24:46

Rep. Doug Collins, Ranking Member on the House Judiciary Committee, just released a statement that praised Robert Mueller and said the special counsel "confirmed today what we knew months ago when his report was released: there was no collusion and no obstruction."

In fact, the report stated neither.

"While the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges" is most definitely not the same as saying there was no collusion. What this says is "we couldn't prove collusion".

"Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment".

Again, the report does not say there was no obstruction; quite the opposite, actually. I have to say that I have been on the "no impeachment" side because I fear giving Trump oxygen to survive the election. Now I am heading toward the point of fuck it; impeach him and let the chips fall where they may. That Lichtman dude seems to think impeachment is the only chance to get rid of Trump.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Wed May 29, 2019 12:30:03

Mueller's statement emphasized one thing over all others. It's not as sexy as saying that Trump should or should not be impeached, but it's arguably even more important:

Russia interfered with the 2016 elections in a coordinated and concerted manner with the goal of favoring one Presidential candidate over another and it's something each and every American (including the current occupant of the White House) should be concerned about.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Wed May 29, 2019 12:30:31

JUburton wrote:That was basically the subtext. He's obviously not going to say that.


I took it more as 'not my job/hands are tied/leave me alone', with the twist of 'I'm of no help to you'.

The vapor locks are:

1. Since subpoenas are able to be summarily ignored, the further investigation is troubled
2. Then there is the senate and its glorious leaders
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Roger Dorn » Wed May 29, 2019 12:38:19

thephan wrote:
JUburton wrote:That was basically the subtext. He's obviously not going to say that.


I took it more as 'not my job/hands are tied/leave me alone', with the twist of 'I'm of no help to you'.

The vapor locks are:

1. Since subpoenas are able to be summarily ignored, the further investigation is troubled
2. Then there is the senate and its glorious leaders


I always knew Congress was toothless but they are impressing even myself. Can you blatantly ignore congressional subpoenas if you are a private citizen?
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Wed May 29, 2019 12:40:33

Roger Dorn wrote:I always knew Congress was toothless but they are impressing even myself.


AGEISM!

Roger Dorn wrote:Can you blatantly ignore congressional subpoenas if you are a private citizen?


Apparently with Don McGann as an example.
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