not much discussion about the climate change committee or a discussion about who should actually be on it without that direct action.

as far as AOC goes, she is aligning herself with the movement. that movement brings votes and power. Pelosi has thus far played it right and can use it to her advantage to keep get her second speakership since she can point to the goon that will likely run against her to the right of her.

it's win-win; attention has been made to what the committee will actually do and who will actually be on it (no half-measure types on it, please) and you create a bloc within your party that you use as a cudgel over the speaker to push your policy ideas to the forefront and she keeps power.

or, I guess AOC could be like Al Franken and wait two terms to do anything and then get caught in a scandal. these are weighty times and normal politics is not a thing anymore. you use your platform of you lose your platform.

pacino wrote:several of my friends were involved with that and it appears to have worked since it made this thread

Again, I don't really understand this. What purpose does this protest serve? Do they want an effective speaker or not? But my real complaint is with a supposed Democrat elected to Congress protesting a fellow Democrat. Like it or not, Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, you are in the establishment now. Learn to make the deal to get what you want. If you want to maintain your street cred, do something useful and stop NY State from giving away the farm to Amazon. Direct action there might actually do some good.

pacino wrote:several of my friends were involved with that and it appears to have worked since it made this thread

Worked is a suspect term, but nationally noted as stupid seems accurate. Good thing she’s getting the democratic agenda in the face of the opposition. She’s going to discover quickly what it’s like to be a freshman house member and sit way down the bench. Spending part of your first day as a PitA is pretty dumb.

As JH noted, the Mira Ricardel riff is wild. Has a first lady ever made such a statement about this type of staff?

pacino wrote:not much discussion about the climate change committee or a discussion about who should actually be on it without that direct action.

as far as AOC goes, she is aligning herself with the movement. that movement brings votes and power. Pelosi has thus far played it right and can use it to her advantage to keep get her second speakership since she can point to the goon that will likely run against her to the right of her.

it's win-win; attention has been made to what the committee will actually do and who will actually be on it (no half-measure types on it, please) and you create a bloc within your party that you use as a cudgel over the speaker to push your policy ideas to the forefront and she keeps power.

or, I guess AOC could be like Al Franken and wait two terms to do anything and then get caught in a scandal. these are weighty times and normal politics is not a thing anymore. you use your platform of you lose your platform.

So I think I'd disagree that you wouldn't want half measures types on a climate change committee if you're looking for legislative solutions to address climate change. If your goal is to pass something out of committee that looks bold and dies before getting a floor vote, fine. But any sort of major climate change legislation that goes through Congress will need substantial GOP support as long as the GOP holds the Senate and White House. That's probably a pipe dream, fine, but even if Democrats take the Senate and WH in 2020, you're still going to need buy in from half measures Democrats because any Dem Senate majority will be narrow at best (and this presumes they get rid of the legislative filibuster, which I wouldn't bet on, so still need GOP votes). You're going to need people interested in the give and take.

jerseyhoya wrote:

pacino wrote:not much discussion about the climate change committee or a discussion about who should actually be on it without that direct action.

as far as AOC goes, she is aligning herself with the movement. that movement brings votes and power. Pelosi has thus far played it right and can use it to her advantage to keep get her second speakership since she can point to the goon that will likely run against her to the right of her.

it's win-win; attention has been made to what the committee will actually do and who will actually be on it (no half-measure types on it, please) and you create a bloc within your party that you use as a cudgel over the speaker to push your policy ideas to the forefront and she keeps power.

or, I guess AOC could be like Al Franken and wait two terms to do anything and then get caught in a scandal. these are weighty times and normal politics is not a thing anymore. you use your platform of you lose your platform.

So I think I'd disagree that you wouldn't want half measures types on a climate change committee if you're looking for legislative solutions to address climate change. If your goal is to pass something out of committee that looks bold and dies before getting a floor vote, fine. But any sort of major climate change legislation that goes through Congress will need substantial GOP support as long as the GOP holds the Senate and White House. That's probably a pipe dream, fine, but even if Democrats take the Senate and WH in 2020, you're still going to need buy in from half measures Democrats because any Dem Senate majority will be narrow at best (and this presumes they get rid of the legislative filibuster, which I wouldn't bet on, so still need GOP votes). You're going to need people interested in the give and take.

I guess the thing I find enthralling is that they are setting the terms for what is considered 'compliance' with the Democratic idea of solutions, not those who need the buy-in (a la Baucus and Lieberman during healthcare)

TenuredVulture wrote:

pacino wrote:several of my friends were involved with that and it appears to have worked since it made this thread

Again, I don't really understand this. What purpose does this protest serve? Do they want an effective speaker or not? But my real complaint is with a supposed Democrat elected to Congress protesting a fellow Democrat. Like it or not, Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, you are in the establishment now. Learn to make the deal to get what you want. If you want to maintain your street cred, do something useful and stop NY State from giving away the farm to Amazon. Direct action there might actually do some good.

my guess is she has little current sway over NY State politics and far more over DC politics

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Katie Porter has taken the lead in CA-45

Nice. Hopefully another D pickup.

thephan wrote:As JH noted, the Mira Ricardel riff is wild. Has a first lady ever made such a statement about this type of staff?

I'm not surprised. They think of themselves as the royal family.

It's amazing how the GOP has allowed this to go on for so long. They're such frauds.

Over dinner I wonder how much time Nancy though about primarying Ocasio-Cortez in a little more then a year. Ocasio-Cortez is a padawan in the mode of Anakin with her interloper master Bernie who the carpet bagger "democrat". #resist

pacino wrote:my guess is she has little current sway over NY State politics and far more over DC politics

Nancy? The noob has neither.

I'm not crazy about AOC's aggressive stance towards Pelosi, especially this soon.

With that said, it's only a matter of time before Pelosi is forced out so people like AOC will play an important role in Dem politics.

By the way, I think Schumer is a much bigger problem than Pelosi. In his mind, he still thinks he's dealing with Republicans like John Warner. He needs to go.

Ding ding winner. Kick Chuck to the curb. Schumer seems like a dinosaur that managed to not get taken out by the ice age, dfo noe he wanders aimlessly toward TV cameras.

So Trump basically did not observe Veteran's day at all, failing to go to Arlington yesterday to lay a wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, for the first time since at least the Presidency of JFK.

thephan wrote:Over dinner I wonder how much time Nancy though about primarying Ocasio-Cortez in a little more then a year. Ocasio-Cortez is a padawan in the mode of Anakin with her interloper master Bernie who the carpet bagger "democrat". #resist

You appear very affronted by this. Might need to reorient your politics.

TenuredVulture wrote:So Trump basically did not observe Veteran's day at all, failing to go to Arlington yesterday to lay a wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, for the first time since at least the Presidency of JFK.

He'll be front and center on draft dodger day!

Maybe he has the flu.

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Imagine if NFL team was trailing 24-22 but in final seconds hits a 3 pt kick to win. Then AFTER game lawyers for losing team get a judge to order rules changed so that last second field goals are only 1 point

Well that’s how democrat lawyers plan to steal #Florida election 1/4

Hits a three point kick