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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby joboggi » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:08:21

Trump copies Hitler.

Seriously

A globalist is a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly not caring about the country so much. You know, we can't have that. You know they have a word, it sort of became old fashioned, it's called a nationalist. And I say really, we're not supposed to use that word. You know what I am, I'm a nationalist. Use that word.
It's true that Trump's verbiage is a bit old-fashioned, in the sense that it comes from the 1930s, and the pen of a fellow named Hitler. What the Donald said is close to a blow-by-blow re-creation of the logic underlying the "stab in the back" theory, which was the Führer's notion that Germany was enmeshed in a struggle between nationalists (like him) and globalists (i.e., the Jews). He argued that World War I was not really about the military defeat of Germany, but instead about the how the globalists seized an opportunity to gain the upper hand, and to squeeze the German people for all they were worth.

Where is all of this coming from? It's clear that Trump is trying to project strength right now (see above) in hopes of rallying the base. Still, even by his standards, this is a bit unusual. He probably hasn't been reading Mein Kampf, nor does this sound like something that would be on Fox News. What it does sound like is something Steve Bannon would say. Reportedly, Bannon and Trump still talk sometimes; maybe they had a phone conversation while the President was on the way to the rally. In any event, the crowd was thrilled by it all, and chanted "USA! USA! USA!" so it's likely we will hear more talk like this at the next rally. (Z)

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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby joboggi » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:19:37

TURNOUT IS VERY HIGH IN THE STATES WHERE EARLY VOTING OPENED.

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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:39:24

joboggi wrote:TURNOUT IS VERY HIGH IN THE STATES WHERE EARLY VOTING OPENED.


Like Tennessee where the Repub registered voters are outpacing Dem registered voters by a decent margin
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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby JUburton » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:49:08

don't *clapemoji* try *clapemoji* to *clapemoji* read *clapemoji* into *clapemoji* early *clapemoji* voting *clapemoji* results

i remember 2016 fondly where D early voting looked good in a lot of battleground states and people were like well this will be an early night! lol!

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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby Bill McNeal » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:54:15

Citizens for clean air ---> funded by a coal company
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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 23, 2018 13:02:16

Uncle Milty wrote:Can't wait until the election is over. So sick of ads. Really need more transparency in who's paying for each of them. For example I find "congressional leadership fund" misleading to a lot of people.

It's the SuperPAC of the highest ranking member of Congressional Leadership. As far as names go, that one is pretty straightforward.

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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby Bucky » Tue Oct 23, 2018 13:08:54

so what happens when congress flips? do they have to change the name of the PAC? I too think it's vague...so maybe it's good on the "as far as PAC names go" scale, but all in all not good.

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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 23, 2018 13:16:20

Bucky wrote:so what happens when congress flips? do they have to change the name of the PAC? I too think it's vague...so maybe it's good on the "as far as PAC names go" scale, but all in all not good.

CLF dunno what will happen to it for sure because it is Ryan's and he's retiring, but would guess McCarthy would pick it up. No need to change the name as he'll still be Leader, just Minority Leader most likely. The main GOP SuperPAC in the Senate is Senate Leadership Fund.

The two major Dem PACs are Senate Majority PAC and House Majority PAC. They're more aspirational in their names, at least for another two weeks.

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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby joboggi » Tue Oct 23, 2018 14:29:01

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:
joboggi wrote:TURNOUT IS VERY HIGH IN THE STATES WHERE EARLY VOTING OPENED.


Like Tennessee where the Repub registered voters are outpacing Dem registered voters by a decent margin


Feinstein took the bait, kavanaugh got up there and acted the way they told him, irreverent and superior, and it got the fascists all riled up.

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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby thephan » Tue Oct 23, 2018 17:03:29

Donald never heard that "nationalist" has a racial overtones. He has all the best words, and no idea what these mean.
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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby thephan » Tue Oct 23, 2018 17:07:44

Also in his pile of best information, he said that "there is no proof of anything", but he knows that there are middle easterners mingled in with the migrants.

@ the office yesterday I head my favorite flake say that 'we need to be honest about the caravan and call it what it is... an invasion.'
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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby thephan » Tue Oct 23, 2018 17:29:03

Oh, those tax cuts for the middle class that will be voted on after the midterms will not get passed unless you vote TRUMP! Get out there and get your vote bought.

I had my concerns about affording Bernie, but I am not sure we can afford much more of Donald's strategy.
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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Tue Oct 23, 2018 18:22:16

thephan wrote:Oh, those tax cuts for the middle class that will be voted on after the midterms will not get passed unless you vote TRUMP! Get out there and get your vote bought.

I had my concerns about affording Bernie, but I am not sure we can afford much more of Donald's strategy.


Who the fuck is going to pay for everything?!
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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Oct 23, 2018 19:34:49

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thephan wrote:Oh, those tax cuts for the middle class that will be voted on after the midterms will not get passed unless you vote TRUMP! Get out there and get your vote bought.

I had my concerns about affording Bernie, but I am not sure we can afford much more of Donald's strategy.


Who the fuck is going to pay for everything?!



They'll cut social insurance programs. It's their white whale.

If the average voter knew what they were actually trying to do, they would lose both the House and Senate. They thrive on keeping their supporters distracted.

As an aside, there's no way this caravan wasn't born out of some GOP (or Russian) effort to throw their voters red meat. Dems are already very engaged, so watching immigrants beaten and humiliated (or whatever it is they decide to do to them) won't get dems any more engaged. But it will engage GOP voters and that's all they need to do to hold the House. The fact that Trump keeps saying it's a Dem plot is exactly what he would do if it was a GOP/Russian plot. The timing is too on the nose. Why the Hell would dems send a caravan to the border and get GOP supporters in a tizzy? It makes zero sense.
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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 23, 2018 22:16:48

Uncle Milty wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Uncle Milty wrote:Can't wait until the election is over. So sick of ads. Really need more transparency in who's paying for each of them. For example I find "congressional leadership fund" misleading to a lot of people.

It's the SuperPAC of the highest ranking member of Congressional Leadership. As far as names go, that one is pretty straightforward.

It's still not transparent to the average voter. I'm talking names or "disclaimers" which reflect their partisanship.

the point of super PACs is to not be transparent
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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 23, 2018 22:36:10

What sort of transparency is going to improve things for you?

They're 30 second ads accusing Democratic candidates of supporting tax increases or wanting socialized medicine or supporting Nancy Pelosi. Is there anyone watching TV sitting there thinking "wow this is very down the middle information" in its current incarnation, but if there was a disclaimer at the end that clarified the chief fundraiser for the CLF was Paul Ryan that person would be like "oh well now, I guess I need to take this with a grain of salt!" Anyone that checked out on politics doesn't know who Paul Ryan is.

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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Unread postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 22:56:19

Well jh, you do political research and polling. In your estimation, what is the point of negative ads? To persuade undecideds as to the unfitness of one’s opponent or the foil to one’s preferred candidate?

Or to GOTV by riling up the base?

If the former has anything to do with it I would submit transparency is important.
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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Tue Oct 23, 2018 22:57:20

A lot of evidence that ads are a waste of money and have very little effect on outcomes.
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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 23, 2018 23:25:32

TenuredVulture wrote:A lot of evidence that ads are a waste of money and have very little effect on outcomes.

I don't think this is true exactly. Ads can be very effective if not rebutted. And by rebutted I don't necessarily mean the substance of the ad, but that shots are also going in the other direction. Also ads can be very effective if used against candidates who haven't already established a profile in the minds of voters.

If you're doing polling in some of these house races, a lot of these Dem candidates are VERY undefined in the GOP incumbent districts. And doing a survey in September then one in October their fav/unfav goes from something like 25/10 to 35/35 and that changes them from being basically 'generic Democrat' to a person who has things that would cause people to vote against them beyond party label. In a tight race costing a few points which could make all the difference.

On the whole I think spending is an overrated concern, but much of that is because there's two things at play - usually if one side is spending the other is as well and there are diminishing returns to spending. But saying it is overrated is different than it being a waste of money or having little effect - especially if one side were to unilaterally withdraw.
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Re: GET STUFFED! Judicial Appointments and POLITICS

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 23, 2018 23:29:26

Wolfgang622 wrote:Well jh, you do political research and polling. In your estimation, what is the point of negative ads? To persuade undecideds as to the unfitness of one’s opponent or the foil to one’s preferred candidate?

Or to GOTV by riling up the base?

If the former has anything to do with it I would submit transparency is important.

Depends on the ads. What transparency would make a meaningful difference on these things? If some group is running an ad saying their opponent fucking loves abortion or their opponent wants sick people to die or whatever, I think the ad viewer thinks the group paying for the ad doesn't like the opponent. Does "Sheldon Adelson was the top donor to this group" or "Paul Ryan is the top fundraiser for this group" as a tag have any meaningful impact? There's transparency in the FEC reports, and I think there should be throughout any of the non-profits that get involved in any electioneering. But on ads I think it is an empty complaint.

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