GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby The Savior » Mon Aug 27, 2018 20:05:17

Roger stone out here saying he’s about to get indicted as in junior
On a scale of 1 to Chris Brown, how pissed is he?

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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Aug 27, 2018 20:30:56

Hey, Rog. If he didn’t do anything wrong you’ve got nothing to worry about!
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby jamiethekiller » Mon Aug 27, 2018 21:00:17

Love when people get all up in arms about having to testify and complaining about it. What's to complain about if nothing happened?

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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby Woody » Mon Aug 27, 2018 21:30:41

Another perjury trap!

Hate when the cops force me into lying
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Mon Aug 27, 2018 22:32:36

I want Cindy McCain to take John's seat so that the Trump people's heads explode.
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Mon Aug 27, 2018 22:42:57

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National Park Service employee tells me they got an email around 10am ordering flags at half staff. Around 2:30pm, email went out cancelling it and saying flag should go back to regular order. And around 5:30, another one went out saying to lower again. Employee says the flag lowering process is usually very straightforward — start and end time. This was... different.


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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Aug 27, 2018 22:48:40

On the seemingly very small chance McSally loses tomorrow, I'd be shocked if she wasn't the replacement

Given Ducey is up for a tough re-election, I don't think he'd pick Cindy McCain unless he was convinced she'd be less maverick-y than her husband, when I don't think there's any reason to think that. Outside of McSally, the GOP members of Congress from AZ mostly blow but there are a lot of statewide Republicans below the gov. I'd guess it'll be one of them, though don't know anything about them individually.

While I very much like Jon Kyl, I've seen his name kicked around & hope he's not the choice. Dude is 76 and Ducey needs to give the appointed member a shot at building up some incumbency advantage ahead of 2020 rather than appointing a placeholder.

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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Tue Aug 28, 2018 06:43:57

Glenn Greenwald is totally not a bad faith journalist:

Greenwald asked me, “What evidence has ever been presented for the central claim that Putin ordered the D.N.C. and John Podesta’s e-mail to be hacked, as opposed to the hacking being done by people of Russian nationality?” Did Greenwald dispute that Guccifer 2.0, the persona responsible for distributing hacked D.N.C. e-mails to WikiLeaks and other outlets, had come into focus as an agent of Russian military intelligence? (A month before the 2016 election, Greenwald co-wrote an article, about the Clinton campaign’s handling of the press, that was based on exclusive access to material supplied by Guccifer 2.0.) We were speaking shortly before the indictments, in July, of twelve Russian intelligence officers. I mentioned a recent article in the Daily Beast, “ ‘Lone DNC Hacker’ Guccifer 2.0 Slipped Up and Revealed He Was a Russian Intelligence Officer,” which had been co-authored by Spencer Ackerman, a former Guardian colleague of Greenwald’s who had worked on the early Snowden stories. “Each story you can dissect and pick apart, right?” Greenwald said. “They’re based on anonymous sources. They’re based on evidence that you can question.”

Ackerman told me that he liked and respected Greenwald, and that “people can be interested in what they’re interested in.” But, he said, “it’s conspicuous when they’re not interested in a massive story for which the simplest explanation is that there was a Russian intelligence operation to elect Donald Trump President.” He added, “Some people are interested in reporting this out. Some people—I would include myself—are interested in reporting this out without any contradiction of the impulse that led us to report the Snowden story. Some people are not.”

shitting on his co-workers to own the libs:
Greenwald’s position on Trump and Russia has come to define the Intercept: recently, when I was in an elevator at the New York office, an employee made a joke about the “Russian-funded” opulence of the premises. When the Intercept hired Risen, last September, Greenwald suspected that the move was intended to offset his Trump-Russia opinions. “People have denied it, but I disbelieve those denials,” he told me. This skepticism seems to be well founded. Risen told me that his focus on Trump and Russia was “to help change the perception” of the site. (Reed, describing Risen’s hiring, said he needed reassurance that Greenwald would have no editorial influence over him.) Greenwald said, “I don’t think the majority of people who work at the Intercept—because they’re good liberals—are supportive of my whole posture with regard to Trump and Russia. That’s fine with me. If they want to get someone who sounds like David Gregory to write at the Intercept, it doesn’t really take away from anything I’m doing.” (He later said that this wasn’t a reference to Risen, whom he called a journalistic hero.) Risen said of Greenwald, “He looks at stories and thinks, What are the implications of this story for the political positions that I hold? And I try to look at a story and say, ‘Is this a good story or not?’ ” He added, “I consider him a friend. We have good conversations.”

make sure to see proven leftist Glenn Greenwald on Tucker Carlson regularly!!! OR, you can read his completely unedited (i learned via this profile that there's a clause in his contract that he doesn't have a real editor) 10,000 word columns on the Intercept for the unvarnished truth!
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby Rockinghorse » Tue Aug 28, 2018 07:34:38

Don't know why Greenwald just can't tear himself away from this single legit issue - that Dems and most media are too quick to run to a "Russia is our puppet master" position. He has leaned so far into it that he jumps on other reporters for simply pointing out facts about the investigations. I don't know that any respected reporter has seriously suggested GG works for Russia, but he acts like it happens all the time.

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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Tue Aug 28, 2018 08:11:06

North Carolina congressional maps ruled unconstitutional; may have to be rewritten before the election! WOW
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Tue Aug 28, 2018 08:13:15

jerseyhoya wrote:On the seemingly very small chance McSally loses tomorrow, I'd be shocked if she wasn't the replacement

Given Ducey is up for a tough re-election, I don't think he'd pick Cindy McCain unless he was convinced she'd be less maverick-y than her husband, when I don't think there's any reason to think that. Outside of McSally, the GOP members of Congress from AZ mostly blow but there are a lot of statewide Republicans below the gov. I'd guess it'll be one of them, though don't know anything about them individually.

While I very much like Jon Kyl, I've seen his name kicked around & hope he's not the choice. Dude is 76 and Ducey needs to give the appointed member a shot at building up some incumbency advantage ahead of 2020 rather than appointing a placeholder.

the Cernovich bus tour may have put Ward over the top :lol:

is there a real incumbency advantage to appointed senators? i'm just spitballing here but Luther Strange jumps out at me, for one
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Aug 28, 2018 09:35:47

Not sure how big of an advantage it is, but all else being equal you'd rather be the incumbent who has established some name ID statewide & had the chance to build up good will with voters through constituent work and whatnot than have an open seat.

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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Tue Aug 28, 2018 09:54:13

FWIW, 538 does not check the incumbency advantage box for appointed representatives in their model.

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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:04:27

JUburton wrote:FWIW, 538 does not check the incumbency advantage box for appointed representatives in their model.

https://www.senate.gov/senators/AppointedSenators.htm

If you look at the past couple of decades, appointed senators who weren't placeholders & sought reelection to their own terms seem to have done pretty well electorally.

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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:18:53

i highly recommend Chris Hayes' podcast Why Is This Happening?

you get one of the smartest political heads actually talking policy/issues and not having to just talk about flags or whatever
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:31:03

JUburton wrote:FWIW, 538 does not check the incumbency advantage box for appointed representatives in their model.


Is their Senate model out? I think with the House model the box wouldn't be checked because any appointed rep would be most likely less than half a year in office, as opposed to Senate appointed members who could serve several years at appointment before a vote.
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:36:01

House seats stay open until governors decide when a special election is to take place, per state constitutions. winning a special election probably does have an incumbency advantage, as would winning any race (you're obviously more viable to win again if you've already won once).
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:36:07

slugsrbad wrote:
JUburton wrote:FWIW, 538 does not check the incumbency advantage box for appointed representatives in their model.


Is their Senate model out? I think with the House model the box wouldn't be checked because any appointed rep would be most likely less than half a year in office, as opposed to Senate appointed members who could serve several years at appointment before a vote.
No, Nate just said it on the podcast this week.

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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:18:44

slugsrbad wrote:
JUburton wrote:FWIW, 538 does not check the incumbency advantage box for appointed representatives in their model.


Is their Senate model out? I think with the House model the box wouldn't be checked because any appointed rep would be most likely less than half a year in office, as opposed to Senate appointed members who could serve several years at appointment before a vote.


There are no appointed House Reps.
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:30:02

TenuredVulture wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:
JUburton wrote:FWIW, 538 does not check the incumbency advantage box for appointed representatives in their model.


Is their Senate model out? I think with the House model the box wouldn't be checked because any appointed rep would be most likely less than half a year in office, as opposed to Senate appointed members who could serve several years at appointment before a vote.


There are no appointed House Reps.


That damned Constitution getting in my way again. I should have known that.
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