you don't know what you don't know I guess. I am not sure the judge would let the prosecutors try to expose something like who they voted for.

Hey, food industry lobbyists are writing speeches for FDA, speeches that have actually been given unedited. Perfectly normal.

Roger Dorn wrote:The lone juror holdout was an avid Trump supporter and apparently kept using the term “witch hunt” during jury deliberations. How the fuck was she allowed on the jury? That’s scary.

Actually she voted guilty on all the counts. It's still something that should have been caught in voir dire, but he's ultimately the type of juror that's good - open-minded.

https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ma ... ump-2018-8

In a Fox News interview on Wednesday, Paula Duncan, a self-described Trump supporter, said the unidentified juror was not convinced that Manafort was guilty of all 18 criminal charges he faced.

"We all tried to convince her to look at the paper trail, we laid it out in front of her again and again," Duncan said during an interview with Fox News host Shannon Bream.

Unless the unnamed juror was also a Trump supporter who thought Russia was a witch hunt. If so, then an exceptionally bad job of voir dire by the prosecutors.

Maybe some journalist wants to look into the financial situation of that juror?

Phred wrote:Maybe some journalist wants to look into the financial situation of that juror?

He was found guilty on 8 of 18 charges. This was not a win for Manafort, and I doubt it was anything nefarious. It seems the unnamed juror had a hang up on some evidence and the standard of reasonable doubt. He can be retried on those 10 counts and he also has another trial for failure to register as a foreign agent coming up soon.

Phred wrote:Maybe some journalist wants to look into the financial situation of that juror?

This would be extremely bad!

Roger Dorn wrote:The lone juror holdout was an avid Trump supporter and apparently kept using the term “witch hunt” during jury deliberations. How the fuck was she allowed on the jury? That’s scary.

There are pics of her online wearing a MAGA cap.

Who knows if she's the lone juror but how does she get on this jury regardless?

Doll Is Mine wrote:

Roger Dorn wrote:The lone juror holdout was an avid Trump supporter and apparently kept using the term “witch hunt” during jury deliberations. How the fuck was she allowed on the jury? That’s scary.

There are pics of her online wearing a MAGA cap. Jesus

SHE. VOTED. GUILTY. ON. ALL. EIGHTEEN. COUNTS.

Late on Wednesday night, Fox News aired a lengthy interview with Paula Duncan, the first juror in Paul Manafort’s trial to go public. Duncan, 52, identified herself as a strong supporter of President Trump, saying she kept a Make America Great Again hat in the backseat of her car as she drove to the trial, and plans to vote for Trump again in 2020. However, Duncan said she became convinced that Manafort was guilty on all 18 counts of bank and tax fraud, and almost the entire jury agreed; she revealed that the jury deadlocked on ten of the counts due to a single juror.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... ction.html

CalvinBall wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:It didn't come out of the campaign, but that's part of what makes it a crime.

I've been out of it mostly for the past two days, but could you explain this or link me to something that does. Just want to be informed.

At the direction of Trump Cohen paid the hush money out of his own funds and was reimbursed by the Trump Organization through him billing for lawyer stuff he didn't actually do. Since it was effectively an unreported campaign donation (paying someone off in the middle of a campaign at the direction of the candidate to prevent a politically damaging story from become public) that not only was over the legal limit, but was actively schemed to cover up, they hit Cohen with a felony charge. A lot of the time you just see the FEC fining people for campaign finance stuff, but think the determined way they went about avoiding the laws elevated it to criminal charges.

Edit: Also I guess one of the charges had to do with him getting National Enquirer to buy the McDougall story to kill it, which amounted to an illegal corporate contribution.

jerseyhoya wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:It didn't come out of the campaign, but that's part of what makes it a crime.

I've been out of it mostly for the past two days, but could you explain this or link me to something that does. Just want to be informed.

At the direction of Trump Cohen paid the hush money out of his own funds and was reimbursed by the Trump Organization through him billing for lawyer stuff he didn't actually do. Since it was effectively an unreported campaign donation (paying someone off in the middle of a campaign at the direction of the candidate to prevent a politically damaging story from become public) that not only was over the legal limit, but was actively schemed to cover up, they hit Cohen with a felony charge. A lot of the time you just see the FEC fining people for campaign finance stuff, but think the determined way they went about avoiding the laws elevated it to criminal charges.

Edit: Also I guess one of the charges had to do with him getting National Enquirer to buy the McDougall story to kill it, which amounted to an illegal corporate contribution.

but, but...Obama only got a fine

TCC, are you implying that O was a sucker because "he' paid all that money and had none of the fun?

Education Department considering letting school districts buy guns with federal funds

Education Department funds. Sorry your books talk about the wonders of the coming steam revolution, but have a gun.

thephan wrote:Duncan Hunter is completely innocent. Let the record show.

Hunter headed to court. What does he have to say?

There is nothing illegal about being poor.

Hey, dim bulb, there is something illegal about using campaign donations for personal extravagances (or even mundane necessities like the dentist bill), and then there is the coverup.

David Pecker of the National Enquirer got himself some immunity. I wonder what that means? Just another flipper who should be jailed I guess.

I keep picturing Larry Sanders doing his "no flipping" catch phrase

I miss Garry Shandling

President Trump is “very likely” to fire Attorney General Jeff Sessions after November’s midterm elections, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) told Bloomberg News.

Graham told Bloomberg that Trump is “entitled to an attorney general he has faith in” but warned Trump against firing Sessions ahead of the midterms, saying it would “create havoc.”

Now Donald, not before the mid-terms because some of us would need to explain some things...

They don’t even try to pretend anymore

Trump once gave out Lindsay Graham's cellphone number to the whole country.

CalvinBall wrote:Trump once gave out Lindsay Graham's cellphone number to the whole country.

1-800-382-4224

I'll just say that it is a pet peeve of mine when internet jurors who haven't looked at the evidence that actual jurors did, or sit in the court room and hear all the testimony that the actual jurors did, act like the actual jurors are stupid or crooked for having the audacity to come to a conclusion that is different than the one the internet juror wanted.