My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 06, 2018 23:59:16

thephan wrote:The commentary on Gary Cohn is brutal. Couldn't pull the trigger over the white nationalist support with Charlottesville, but that moral line is trade. A real hero.

He's not a hero or a figure to be held up in moral esteem, but I've seen this a bit on Twitter and here, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

He was troubled by the president's response to Charlottesville, considered resigning, but decided not to. He pressed on, achieved one of his goals in passing tax cuts, fought against the tariff decision, lost, and is resigning as a result. So he has prioritized tariffs over racism and this makes him bad, per administration critics.

Gary Cohn is the director of the National Economic Council and the president's top adviser on economics. He is resigning because the president is ignoring his advice as his top adviser on economics against making a potentially catastrophic economic decision. If he was Chief of Staff or some other position in the administration where all issues are under your purview, then sure, make the apples to apples comparison. But he's not, and wasn't involved at all in the Charlottesville reaction, but has been deeply involved in the tariffs discussion and he has decided he does not want to be a part of a terrible decision, so he's resigning. Seems pretty straightforward.

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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby The Sarge » Tue Mar 06, 2018 23:59:49

Can someone please explain to me why Trump (or the Trump organization) hasn't fired Michael Cohen yet?
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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby swishnicholson » Wed Mar 07, 2018 00:23:01

Carina Driscoll, Bernie Sanders' stepdaughter, lost the Burlington, VT mayor's race to the Democratic candidate. Only noting this because the other independent candidate's name was Infinite Culcleasure.
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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Wed Mar 07, 2018 00:23:16

Nate Cohn @Nate_Cohn
GOP edge now at about 22 points, 61 to 39 percent. Dems should gain back some ground, but I suspect this won't prove to be the night they were imagining. None of their top candidates are posting great numbers. And this doesn't look like the vote of a 'blue' Texas

The Texas early voting stat going around like crazy on Twitter the past week was for the top 15 counties - which Hillary won 54%-46%. The Dems gaining a narrow edge there was touted like they were winning statewide.

Dem turnout *is* much higher this year than 2014. But it is also still Texas.

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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby pacino » Wed Mar 07, 2018 00:43:11

San Antonio's doofus DA was ousted, so that's good
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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby thephan » Wed Mar 07, 2018 07:09:09

John Kelly has done a fantastic job of getting himself out of the headlines. It was just two or so weeks ago where we were calling for his head publicly over things like the porter scandal. Since then he's managed to take Jared and Ivanka out of the equation stepping back there clearances, and he's done some other go to ground activities more or less disappearing. So it is curious that Trump surrogates seem to be taking aim at him.
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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby thephan » Wed Mar 07, 2018 09:34:29

Rep. Chris Stewart was on CNN talking about 'poor Hope Hick' being set up. Softly blamed the Dems on the committee, but I think you could make a case for her boss.
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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed Mar 07, 2018 09:57:49

pretty crazy that over a million people can still find it in themselves to vote for lyin ted.

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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby thephan » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:23:12

There is debate if DJT knew about this? Cohn complained that he was not paid back, and there was a delay until DJT approved. I guess there is plenty of speculation, innuendo, and rumor, but not a whole bunch of facts.
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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:04:25

jerseyhoya wrote:
thephan wrote:The commentary on Gary Cohn is brutal. Couldn't pull the trigger over the white nationalist support with Charlottesville, but that moral line is trade. A real hero.

He's not a hero or a figure to be held up in moral esteem, but I've seen this a bit on Twitter and here, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

He was troubled by the president's response to Charlottesville, considered resigning, but decided not to. He pressed on, achieved one of his goals in passing tax cuts, fought against the tariff decision, lost, and is resigning as a result. So he has prioritized tariffs over racism and this makes him bad, per administration critics.

Gary Cohn is the director of the National Economic Council and the president's top adviser on economics. He is resigning because the president is ignoring his advice as his top adviser on economics against making a potentially catastrophic economic decision. If he was Chief of Staff or some other position in the administration where all issues are under your purview, then sure, make the apples to apples comparison. But he's not, and wasn't involved at all in the Charlottesville reaction, but has been deeply involved in the tariffs discussion and he has decided he does not want to be a part of a terrible decision, so he's resigning. Seems pretty straightforward.


This is some weird mental gymnastics to justify it but sure.

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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:06:30

CalvinBall wrote:
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thephan wrote:The commentary on Gary Cohn is brutal. Couldn't pull the trigger over the white nationalist support with Charlottesville, but that moral line is trade. A real hero.

He's not a hero or a figure to be held up in moral esteem, but I've seen this a bit on Twitter and here, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

He was troubled by the president's response to Charlottesville, considered resigning, but decided not to. He pressed on, achieved one of his goals in passing tax cuts, fought against the tariff decision, lost, and is resigning as a result. So he has prioritized tariffs over racism and this makes him bad, per administration critics.

Gary Cohn is the director of the National Economic Council and the president's top adviser on economics. He is resigning because the president is ignoring his advice as his top adviser on economics against making a potentially catastrophic economic decision. If he was Chief of Staff or some other position in the administration where all issues are under your purview, then sure, make the apples to apples comparison. But he's not, and wasn't involved at all in the Charlottesville reaction, but has been deeply involved in the tariffs discussion and he has decided he does not want to be a part of a terrible decision, so he's resigning. Seems pretty straightforward.


This is some weird mental gymnastics to justify it but sure.

He's not resigning to make a moral statement. He's resigning because he's being ignored in his position as NEC chair. It's not gymnastics.

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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:14:14

ah so he is unscrupulous by your math too.

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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby slugsrbad » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:17:10

I think JH has a point, overall, but there has to be a line where regardless of the relation to your position in the administration you need to say enough is enough. Every moment you are aligned with the administration is a tacit approval of the vileness that comes from Trump. There are no silent heroes here.
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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby Bucky » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:30:41

I dunno. I think a lot about that re: mcmaster because he's my homeboy. What if he's sticking in there because he feels any successor that would get the gig would be damaging to national security and the US in general? But then again if cheetoh ignores everything he says anyway it wouldn't make much of a difference.

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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby thephan » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:45:55

CalvinBall wrote:pretty crazy that over a million people can still find it in themselves to vote for lyin ted.


Man Rafael Edward Cruz goes by Ted, and has the stones to Robert "Beto" O'Rourke for using his perhaps nickname to sound more Latino. CNN followed up with ol' lyin' Ted: not YouTube video link
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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby pacino » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:47:13

"That guy uses a NICKNAME! Vote for me!"
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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby thephan » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:51:54

The most read story on The Washington Post’s website this morning is not about Daniels's lawsuit. Or Trump’s top economic adviser resigning over his opposition to new tariffs. Or a counselor to the president violating the Hatch Act. Or the special counsel’s sprawling investigation into potential obstruction of justice at the highest levels of government. It’s certainly not about the Senate advancing a bill to weaken Dodd-Frank, the law enacted to prevent a repeat of the 2008 financial crisis. Few people have seemed to care much about the methodical rollback of consumer protections over the past 13 months.

Even though it’s buried low on our home page, the most read story right now is about the season finale of “The Bachelor.”


Good god. This is from a WaPo online article about the celebrity star turn of the country enabling Trump.
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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby thephan » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:52:03

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:George Nader now a cooperating witness

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/06/us/p ... elles.html


Who the hell is George Nader would be reasonable to ask. UAE advisor, meeting with Russian Putin Pal and Erik Prince (BlackWater/Betsy DeVos sib) in the Seyschelles, intercepted enroute to Mar-a-largo... UAE was one of the players, if I recall, who were talking rather loosely about taking advantage of Novice in Chief JarJar Kushner.

Curious things to learn about this mystery man.
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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby pacino » Wed Mar 07, 2018 14:57:25

bill was introduced in PA that would nullify city wage increases, sick days,non-discrimination at work, and prevailing wage laws. This was done in Missouri.
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Re: My Mate Gerry Loves Politics

Unread postby traderdave » Wed Mar 07, 2018 15:53:00

And conservatives think that conservatism is under attack?

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