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Unread postby pacino » Mon Oct 23, 2017 07:58:26

perhaps he meant pro-russian people.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby JUburton » Mon Oct 23, 2017 08:34:32

Trump tweets the 401k contrib limits wont be changing.

Not that I ever believed that they would be.

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby pacino » Mon Oct 23, 2017 08:36:50

JUburton wrote:Trump tweets the 401k contrib limits wont be changing.

Not that I ever believed that they would be.

where's the bill
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby JUburton » Mon Oct 23, 2017 08:37:04

well yeah, that too

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby pacino » Mon Oct 23, 2017 08:38:12

this shit of introducing the bill a few days before it's voted on is quite a coy, if horribly terrible and cynical, strategy

any criticism is batted away with 'well that's not part of the bill' then you have only one or two days to mobilize against it when they finally reveal it

PPACA had months of back and forth and bills approved within committees in the summer before the final thing was introduced, and then still had floor debate, etc
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby slugsrbad » Mon Oct 23, 2017 08:46:06

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby pacino » Mon Oct 23, 2017 08:48:50

pacino wrote:
pacino wrote:he's going to attack the widow

He said she took it wrong

now said she's lying
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby Woody » Mon Oct 23, 2017 09:10:28

This administration is really going well
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby thephan » Mon Oct 23, 2017 09:13:16

Well, when I asked why would HE attack the widow, and the response was sort of 'just wait a minute, its coming' or 'why not, have you been paying attention?', I had hoped it was something between cynicism, and that maybe someone @1600 would do something vaguely reflecting something like the right thing.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby thephan » Mon Oct 23, 2017 09:15:09

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby pacino » Mon Oct 23, 2017 09:17:41

thephan wrote:Well, when I asked why would HE attack the widow, and the response was sort of 'just wait a minute, its coming' or 'why not, have you been paying attention?', I had hoped it was something between cynicism, and that maybe someone @1600 would do something vaguely reflecting something like the right thing.

i wish i could think like you, thephan. i don't think anyone employed at the White House has a shred of decency left; if they did they probably wouldn't have accepted the role they took.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby pacino » Mon Oct 23, 2017 09:18:56

Jewish groups divided over anti-BDS bills/laws; sorry for the long quotes but I think they're important to show context:

The first case happened in Kansas, where a local teacher was denied a work contract with the state because she refused to sign a form stating that she opposes boycotts of Israel. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a lawsuit on behalf of the teacher, who claims to support such a boycott because of her Christian religious beliefs.

The second case took place this weekend in Dickinson, Texas, where local residents had to sign a form stating that they don't boycott Israel, in order to receive aid relief following Hurricane Harvey. The Texas state lawmaker, who authored the local anti-BDS bill, told Haaretz in an interview that the incident was a misunderstanding, and that the recently-approved bill has nothing to do with the kind of situation that emerged in Dickinson.

Still, some people who strongly support the wave of anti-BDS laws admitted over the weekend that when a headline of this kind emerges into the national discussion, the damage for Israel is significant.

Gilad Katz, Israel's consul general in Houston, told Haaretz that Israel supports Texas' anti-BDS law, and that the event in Dickinson is a result of a "wrong interpretation" of the law. "This law strengthens our relationship with Texas and shows our shared values. There was a local misinterpretation of the law in Dickinson, because the law addresses taxpayer money and over there, the story was about private funds." 

Jewish groups in the United States were not quick to comment on the incident, partly because it took place over the weekend. On Saturday night, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) sent Haaretz a short statement, explaining that while the organization continues to support anti-BDS legislation, it is concerned about local officials interpreting it in ways that are "misguided."

"We were deeply troubled to learn that the city of Dickinson, Texas is requiring applicants for hurricane relief to promise not to boycott Israel as a prerequisite for receiving aid," the statement said. "This requirement is misguided and constitutionally problematic, and reveals an unanticipated and unfortunate consequence of a well-intentioned state anti-BDS law that needs further consideration."

"ADL is deeply engaged in opposing the boycott, divestment, and sanctions campaign against Israel and believes that the founding goals of the BDS movement and many of the strategies employed in BDS campaigns are anti-Semitic. That is why we have worked to promote state resolutions opposing BDS, as well as judicious, constitutionally sound legislative initiatives at the federal level."

trying legislate away BDS just validates BDS. what a stupid way to try to combat it

J Street is a little smarter:
"BDS exists, and we're fighting against it on college campuses, but the reality is that some of these laws are a solution in search of a problem," Lerner added. "There is no phenomenon in the United States of companies boycotting Israel en-masse. This is mostly about organizations that want to flex their muscles and turn this into a bigger issue than it really is, mostly so they can show their donors that they are doing something about it."

Lerner said that "the most troubling piece of this strategy is that it puts support for Israel on the opposite side of free speech, which is terrible. You should never want to put Israel in such a situation, where people associate it with attempts to limit free speech. The best way to fight against BDS is to do outreach to progressives, and advancing laws like this certainly doesn't help that kind of outreach - it does the exact opposite."
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby thephan » Mon Oct 23, 2017 09:23:28

I guess I am 10 days behind, but I completely missed this: Trump remains seated, talks and jokes during military flag ceremony. Dateline: October 13, 2017, Middletown, PA.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby Bucky » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:04:32

JUburton wrote:Trump tweets the 401k contrib limits wont be changing.

Not that I ever believed that they would be.



was there any talk that they would be??

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby JUburton » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:07:01

Bucky wrote:
JUburton wrote:Trump tweets the 401k contrib limits wont be changing.

Not that I ever believed that they would be.



was there any talk that they would be??
yeah there were rumblings that it would be dropped from 18k to 4k (4.4k? something like that).

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby pacino » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:07:53

Bucky wrote:
JUburton wrote:Trump tweets the 401k contrib limits wont be changing.

Not that I ever believed that they would be.



was there any talk that they would be??

yep, big FAKE NEWS article in the NY Times over the weekend about how the House Republicans were figuring it out
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby The Crimson Cyclone » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:14:16

if true, between that and the mortgage interest deduction being cut, it's like they are trying to hurt the middle class
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby JUburton » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:16:59

I don't see either changing. People who take biggest advantage of the 401k and the MID are corner stone Republican voters. It may not be the republican base anymore but they're the marginal suburbanite voters they can't afford to lose now.

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby pacino » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:24:48

the've been saying for years they want to get rid of deductions; are you implying they were just using that for political gain and weren't going to act on it?
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby Bucky » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:38:05

I believe they would try to act on it. I think they're arrogant enough to think they'll never lose voters no matter how bad their harm their voters as long as the alternative is NO GUNS and LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

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