Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

by **pacino** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 08:53:05

slugsrbad wrote:
Sarah Huckabee Sanders wrote:If you want to get into a debate with a 4-star Marine general, I think that's something highly inappropriate.

This, plus the NRA add that was released today on Twitter. I believe in our institutions ability to survive this, but man it's not even a year.

this ad is crazy (they usually are)

the most vicious attacks on a president ever!!!! except for those dead ones...also, why should the NRA care if there are political attacks on a president? they're a gun manufacturers lobby, not the RNC. also, the kneeling is shown! better buy some guns, a player is kneeling!

by **The Savior** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 09:18:11

That video won't age well

by **drsmooth** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 09:41:44

jerseyhoya wrote:Given twitter threads are deeply problematic, Laura Seay has thankfully taken to the notoriously right wing outlet Slate.com to slam Maddow and explain all of this in article format.

This Is Not Trump’s Benghazi

MADDOW WAS JUST ASKING QUESTIONS

You seem even more fearful than usual about a thing that may make your mob look as pernicious as it actually is. Seay's trying to ride Maddow's version of the story into a more prominent profile. Perish the thought Seay may be exaggerating her own position for attention in our clickbait-mad 4th estate.

And can I ask why you're all excited that Seay took the time to inflate her tweetflurry into an actual article? Because she hasn't made a stronger case for her own view of the situation here. Did you expect her to waste all her frantic effort to stake out a position sucking off Maddow's much greater public recognition?

All she's done here is repeat her not-especially-sturdily-supported contention that Maddow's "questioning" rests on the tactical connection between Chadian troop rollback and the deaths of the soldiers. That's an exaggeration (at best) itself.

I'm sure you've latched on to Seay's counterpoint because she, like you, is a tireless champion of clear-eyed dispassionate truth-telling. But I suspect even she would admit her diatribe might exaggerate her & there to underscore her point.

by **pacino** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:11:54

Uncle Milty wrote:Can't wait til the nra is running things. WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH YOUR HATEFUL DAGGERS THEN?

They basically are running things

by **drsmooth** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:00:54

this probably doesn't completely belong here, but the smart guy/smartass tone of this brief essay bemoaning the bowdlerizing of George Orwell makes it feel like it ought to be right at home here in our political pigsty.

Also kind find this description of what Current Affairs is about appealing:

If Christopher Hitchens and Willy Wonka had edited a magazine together, it might have resembled Current Affairs

by **traderdave** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 15:03:53

What in the actual fuck was the NRA "ad"? Fear mongering at its best plus it was pretty much completely made up. The problem is that some nut job in Lancaster County is sitting in his fallout shelter jerking off to Guns and Ammo and soaking in every word of it.

by **TenuredVulture** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 15:34:57

Nra is a white supremacist organization.

by **jerseyhoya** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 17:37:37

drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Given twitter threads are deeply problematic, Laura Seay has thankfully taken to the notoriously right wing outlet Slate.com to slam Maddow and explain all of this in article format.

This Is Not Trump’s Benghazi

MADDOW WAS JUST ASKING QUESTIONS

You seem even more fearful than usual about a thing that may make your mob look as pernicious as it actually is. Seay's trying to ride Maddow's version of the story into a more prominent profile. Perish the thought Seay may be exaggerating her own position for attention in our clickbait-mad 4th estate.

And can I ask why you're all excited that Seay took the time to inflate her tweetflurry into an actual article? Because she hasn't made a stronger case for her own view of the situation here. Did you expect her to waste all her frantic effort to stake out a position sucking off Maddow's much greater public recognition?

All she's done here is repeat her not-especially-sturdily-supported contention that Maddow's "questioning" rests on the tactical connection between Chadian troop rollback and the deaths of the soldiers. That's an exaggeration (at best) itself.

I'm sure you've latched on to Seay's counterpoint because she, like you, is a tireless champion of clear-eyed dispassionate truth-telling. But I suspect even she would admit her diatribe might exaggerate her & there to underscore her point.

I love the efforts at ascribing various impure motives to everyone else's actions (tho not Maddow's). Seay probably wasn't like "hey this is the thing I spend all day studying and have unique knowledge on and this important news person is wrong let me explain why". Or concerned at watching what happened to the GOP over the past decade+ buying into #fakenews conspiracy shit, she wanted to make sure she did what she could to prevent her own side going down that path. No, clearly she is exaggerating her position for clickbait to increase her own profile - because, god knows, what drives someone to become an expert on African politics is one's insatiable appetite for prominence and attention.

Then of course I'm doing this for a bad reason, and trying to uphold the good name of Donald Trump and the Republican Party here on BSG where they're both very well regarded. Even though I would not be upset in the least if it turned out Trump's travel ban led directly or indirectly to this mess. I mean, I'd be upset for whomever was killed as a result of the hamfisted governance, but it is a bad and counterproductive policy that I have no stake in defending. If you're looking for a partisan hack angle, you would do better focusing on my rooting for Maddow to be taken down a few pegs by someone generally on her own side rather than what Maddow's "story" says about "my" mob. But really I was just a bit drunk after bar trivia, saw TCC's post, saw the thread on Twitter, posted it, you took an interesting approach in responding so I haven't dropped it.

I would think it would seem obvious I made a big deal out of it being an article given your odd aversion to the consumption of information in the form of a Twitter thread.

Anyway Maddow brought up the pushback she got to her report on Thursday night last night and claimed everything she reported was true. Seay, attention whoring again, has another thread criticizing Maddow for falsely eliding the distinction that the group of bad people the Chad fellas were going up against was both different and very far away from the group of bad people who killed the Americans in Niger. Maddow doesn't come out and say explicitly Action A directly caused Result B, but my god in that clip she's laying it on pretty fucking thick. We will see where it all ends up.

by 1 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 18:01:06

She looks like Tomi without the dye job

by **drsmooth** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 23:56:00

the things that give you young fellas boners these days, I don't understand:

jerseyhoya wrote:
I love the efforts at ascribing various impure motives to everyone else's actions (tho not Maddow's).

uh, Maddow's doing a show every night, whether there juicy news items to hash over or not. She has an agenda, of a sort. I'm not sure I'd describe her team's take on the Niger events as Fox-caliber outright fantasy, but why wouldn't you go that way, being you.

Seay probably wasn't like "hey this is the thing I spend all day studying and have unique knowledge on and this important news person is wrong let me explain why". Or concerned at watching what happened to the GOP over the past decade+ buying into #fakenews conspiracy shit, she wanted to make sure she did what she could to prevent her own side going down that path. No, clearly she is exaggerating her position for clickbait to increase her own profile - because, god knows, what drives someone to become an expert on African politics is one's insatiable appetite for prominence and attention.

lookit you championing this otherwise obscure Colby graduate gal's noble and honorable choice of career path. How chivalrous of you. And to use one of your favorite disparaging terms for those you don't understand and/or agree with, how weird. You actually know Seay about as well as I do. What, exactly, about her, other than her hyper?bolic stab at ripping Maddow's Niger monologue, has you so turgid about her?

Then of course I'm doing this for a bad reason

I don't know about a BAD reason - it's just not a very strong reason

I would think it would seem obvious I made a big deal out of it being an article given your odd aversion to the consumption of information in the form of a Twitter thread.

this may be breaking news to graduate students at the educational institution from which you are striving to secure a degree - or maybe it happened already? - but Twitter is not where thoughtful people compose and distribute their thoughtful views on matters that they feel merit thoughtful consideration. Twitter may be the platform of choice for erudition you & the Dude enjoy consuming, but you're either waaaaaaay ahead of the curve there, or, well, I'm not calling names anymore because that's juvenile isn't it.

Maddow doesn't come out and say explicitly Action A directly caused Result B, but my god in that clip she's laying it on pretty fucking thick

FINALLY, you concede, essentially, that maybe Seay's a bit over her skis on her concern about Maddow's monologue.Heaven forefend that Rachel Maddow should possibly over-connect dots on one matter the likes of which Fox gabbers have drawn on to whip mouth-breathing reactionaries into a frenzy coast to coast for decades, on a nightly basis. I mean, the outrage.

by **drsmooth** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 00:26:11

I'm also kind of annoyed apparently no one's read that unashamedly-cheerleading-for-George-Orwell article on George Orwell I supplied a link to

by **thephan** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 07:47:24

You can have you false God’s smooth. :-D

You are a victim of NRA outrage and a need to defend the anti-FOX icon.

pacino wrote:oh jesus christ, doc

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 17:08:37

Bill Browder‏ @Billbrowder
Not only did Putin add me to the Interpol list, but the US simultaneously revoked my visa.

Hmm...

by **slugsrbad** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 18:36:14

Doll Is Mine wrote:
Bill Browder‏ @Billbrowder
Not only did Putin add me to the Interpol list, but the US simultaneously revoked my visa.

Hmm...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/45 ... ed-america

by **Bucky** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 18:44:47

well on the bright side that hopefully is the end of crashburn alley

by **JFLNYC** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 19:24:57

I’m sure there’s no connection with the Trump administration.

by **thephan** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 07:01:32

Scott Pruitt is getting an increase in security. 12 additional officers. I guess protecting the environment from those who want to savage it is dangerous work.

The estimated additional cost is $2M in salaries, and vehicles for each. No idea how that stacks up against the $6.54M that DeVos will need in FY'18 for her safety. These 'best people' billionaires cost a lot in personnel security, probably more then any other administration.

by **thephan** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 07:20:15

The guy people though McCain was, he is becoming. I do not wish cancer on anyone, but it has certainly liberated him. Him going down Trump's Vietnam ‘bone spur’ deferments path is worth the price of admission.

“One aspect of the conflict, by the way, that I will never ever countenance is that we drafted the lowest-income level of America, and the highest-income level found a doctor that would say that they had a bone spur,” McCain said. “That is wrong. That is wrong. If we are going to ask every American to serve, every American should serve.”

There are also stories circulating that Trump is an untrustworthy negotiation partner, eroding that 'Deal Maker in Chief' lie.

by **pacino** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 07:43:31

@Yamiche
Myeshia Johnson, widow of Sgt. Johnson, backs @RepWilson: “Whatever Ms. Wilson said was not fabricated. What she said was 100% correct.”

@Yamiche
Myeshia Johnson, widow of Sgt. Johnson, when asked if she has anything to say to President Trump: “I don’t have nothing to say to him.”

@Yamiche
Myeshia Johnson, the widow of Sgt. La David T. Johnson, says she wants to see her husband's body but officials have refused let her see him

by **Phred** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 07:53:21

slugsrbad wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
Bill Browder‏ @Billbrowder
Not only did Putin add me to the Interpol list, but the US simultaneously revoked my visa.

Hmm...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/45 ... ed-america

Can someone explain to me how the Maginsky Act is pro Russia?

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