...PPP!!...Politics.Plus.Poll...What a relief!!!

If the 2020 Presidential election were tommorrow who would you vote for?

Trump
2
4%
Democratic Challenger no matter who
39
81%
Other
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15%
 
Total votes : 48

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Postby thephan » Thu Sep 21, 2017 21:54:03

pacino wrote:24% approval rating for Graham-Cassidy


Trump is soundky beating thoze two idiots.
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Postby Monkeyboy » Fri Sep 22, 2017 02:46:31

that response from NK.... wow.

I hope it's all manufactured b.s.. otherwise, we're going to end up in another war of choice.
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Postby thephan » Fri Sep 22, 2017 05:59:43

DeVos takes private flights too, but she has not billed the government for these. Only a $184 Amtrack ticket on the books. However, she is the only Cabinet member who has full-time protection from the US Marshal Service, and that cost $1000000 a month. So she's sitting at eight million dollars.
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Postby pacino » Fri Sep 22, 2017 08:06:18

ICE stalks US citizen outside courthouse:
On Monday, Andrade-Tafolla, 46, was accompanying his wife after she appeared in Washington County Court in Hillsboro. Andrade-Tafolla said a group of people followed them outside the courthouse and approached him.

A volunteer with the ACLU caught the confrontation on camera. It showed the group asking Andrade-Tafolla for his name and identification, while refusing to identify themselves. Andrade-Tafolla said they only showed him a picture of a person they thought was him.

“The lady said, ‘Well I have this photo of you,’” recalled Andrade-Tafolla. “I said, ‘So what? I'm questioning who are you! Why do you need my information?’”

It turned out the group was comprised of ICE agents. In a statement to KGW, ICE spokesperson Virginia Kice, described the scenario.

“In this instance, our officers went to a specific location seeking a particular individual and interacted with someone whom they believed resembled our arrest target,” said Kice. “It turned out the man was not the target and no further action was taken."


In April, Oregon's Chief Justice Thomas Balmer, asked ICE to stop targeting courthouses for illegal immigrants. Since then, the ACLU has documented continued arrests around courthouses, which they fear will scare some people from going to court.

they may be there to testify AGAINST someone and this is scaring people away from reporting crimes
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Postby pacino » Fri Sep 22, 2017 08:26:42

the consequences of Flint's emergency manager coup:
Fertility rates decreased by 12% among Flint women, and fetal death rates increased by 58%, after April 2014, according to research by assistant professors and health economists David Slusky at Kansas University and Daniel Grossman at West Virginia University. The pair examined vital statistics data for Flint and the rest of the state of Michigan from 2008 to 2015, zoomed down to the census-tract level.

That post-April 2014 time period is significant, because that's when — in an effort to save money — the city of Flint switched from water supplied by the city of Detroit to using the Flint River as a drinking water source, without adding needed anti-corrosives to the water. Lead levels in drinking water supplies spiked as a result.

The problem, however, wasn't acknowledged by Gov. Rick Snyder and state health and environmental officials until late September 2015 — months after Virginia Tech researcher Marc Edwards and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency manager Miguel Del Toral alerted state and federal officials of their concerns, and weeks after Flint pediatrician Mona Hanna-Attisha's own research showed children's lead blood levels were rising in Flint.

Additionally, state health officials confirmed 91 cases, including 12 deaths, from Legionnaire's Disease, a respiratory infection, in Genesee County in a 17-month period in 2014-15. Though not conclusively tied to the Flint water crisis, cases spiked after the city switched its water source.

Flint has since switched back to Great Lakes Water Authority-supplied water.

They should all be in prison. It amazes me Snyder has skated by when he's the one that initiated the emergency manager concept and pushed the 'save money over everything else' idea:
Fifteen state and local officials have been criminally indicted as a result of their alleged actions and inactions in the Flint water crisis, including Michigan Department of Health and Human Services Director Nick Lyon, state Chief Medical Executive Eden Wells, and Liane Shekter-Smith, the fired head of the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality's drinking water unit.
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Postby Monkeyboy » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:39:37

And given what we know and what is suspected to be the long term consequences of lead exposure in children, this will be a disaster that plays out over decades.

But that's the real point, right? Keep these communities down at all cost.
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Postby thephan » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:50:21

Herman Melville in the poem "The Maldive Shark" seems to adequately describe the president when he writes “Eyes and brains to the dotard lethargic and dull, Pale ravener of horrible meat.” when describing the central character in this piece, while one must wonder how many of the presidents advisers adaquately fill the role of the pilot fish.

Shakespeare used the term several times, effectively in "King Lear" where Goneril uses variants of the term that eventually aid in pushing Lear to the edge, and disparagingly in “Much Ado About Nothing" where Leonato proclaims his sharpness to young Claudio by stating, in "Much Ado About Nothing, "Tush, tush, man, never fleer and jest at me. I speak not like a dotard nor a fool”.

But Kim's "modern" uses is apparently common North Korean insult for an old person who is lazy, useless and demented.

New articles call out both The Maldive Shark, and Much Ado About Nothing, but I honestly prefer King Lears decent into madness as a modern parallel.
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Postby pacino » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:07:18

DIM was wrong about Gov Snyder. He thought Snyder would resign; instead, he passed the buck and KNEW NOTHING and now another Republican governor may win in 2018! Yay!

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Postby thephan » Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:24:28

Many insurance companies dispute that claim. On Wednesday, the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association warned the Cassidy-Graham bill “would allow states to waive key consumer protections, as well as undermine safeguards for those with pre-existing medical conditions.


What do BCBS know? Nuttin'.
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Postby thephan » Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:47:28

Mooooooove over Luther Strange... Poll finds Moore with eight-point lead on Strange in Alabama ... Welcome to 'Bama El Presidente

Bannon, Gorka, and Palin in on Moore calling Strange a McConnell puppet. Moore, for his part, says that he can enable Trump's agenda best. Strange telling people to follow @RealDonald so they can see who Trump loves most (telling people to follow Donald's tweets seems ill advised). The bad news is that it seems that the Trump brand must be strong in The Heart of Dixie.
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Postby thephan » Fri Sep 22, 2017 13:04:38

Importantly, the term dotard is being specified because the raw translation is slightly less humiliating then Kim was after, so it is clarified that it should rightfully mean Incompetent Old Lunatic.
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Postby Bucky » Fri Sep 22, 2017 13:12:49

Kim speaks english

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Postby thephan » Fri Sep 22, 2017 13:43:02

In June, [Tom] Price spoke at a physicians association conference in San Diego, where he vowed to wring out wasteful spending in the government’s health care programs. Getting “value” for spending “is incredibly important,” he said.

Price took a private plane to get to the meeting, which was one stop on a five-state sprint of charter travel that cost $50,420.


The reasoning behind using a private plane is that it puts him in touch with real Americans. Sit you ass in an airport, and cram into a shuttle flight seat if you want to see how some of us live.

The quote of the day clearly is:

"No one is quite sure what [Price] is doing,” a senior White House official said. “You look at this week, we're doing a last final push trying to get this over the finish line, and he's nowhere to be found."


I've seen that a few times, and generally in reference to him finding his way onto the hot seat within the administration.
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Postby Doll Is Mine » Fri Sep 22, 2017 13:53:44

McCain says he can not in good conscience vote for the healthcare bill. Paul is a no. Collins says she's leaning no (probably a no). I don't see how Murkowski votes for it either.

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Postby slugsrbad » Fri Sep 22, 2017 14:03:53

Dim, your take is too small print, this deserves all-caps.

MCCAIN IS A NO! GRAHAM-CASSIDY IS DEAD. ACA is saved, again, for now.
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Postby slugsrbad » Fri Sep 22, 2017 14:10:26

So the "scary" from McCain's statement on his no on GC bill is that he would happily support it with regular process (hearings, amendments, etc.). The good, is that this was probably the last best chance to get rid of ACA as Congress is currently constituted. Reconciliation window ends at the end of September, meaning any new bill would have to have 60 votes to pass cloture. Trump has been constantly calling for the end of the legislative filibuster, so we'll see if Senator Turtle will go that route.

I wonder how that will sit with Mr. Process. I assume that if they still have the debates, hearings, etc., than McCain would be fine passing it, even if the filibuster was eliminated to do so. That's just my baseless opinion though.
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Postby Bucky » Fri Sep 22, 2017 14:13:42

what does 60 votes have to do with filibuster? i have no idea how this stuff works

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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Sep 22, 2017 14:15:24

slugsrbad wrote:So the "scary" from McCain's statement on his no on GC bill is that he would happily support it with regular process (hearings, amendments, etc.). The good, is that this was probably the last best chance to get rid of ACA as Congress is currently constituted. Reconciliation window ends at the end of September, meaning any new bill would have to have 60 votes to pass cloture. Trump has been constantly calling for the end of the legislative filibuster, so we'll see if Senator Turtle will go that route.

I wonder how that will sit with Mr. Process. I assume that if they still have the debates, hearings, etc., than McCain would be fine passing it, even if the filibuster was eliminated to do so. That's just my baseless opinion though.

There is exactly a 0% chance McConnell will move to end the filibuster.

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Postby pacino » Fri Sep 22, 2017 14:23:25

Bucky wrote:what does 60 votes have to do with filibuster? i have no idea how this stuff works

you need 60 votes to agree to end a filibuster.

they're trying to pass this via a process called 'reconciliation', where legislation can be passed with a simple majority but there is a debate time limit for it. Time's almost up. Future passage of it would need 60 votes, then, and thus would need Democratic support to pass.

This isn't in the Constitution but is simply a rule of the Senate. Robert Byrd was all high and mighty about this. it's the reason a lot of laws are sunset.
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Postby JUburton » Fri Sep 22, 2017 14:27:08

Bucky wrote:what does 60 votes have to do with filibuster? i have no idea how this stuff works
Before you can vote on a bill there has to be 'cloture' or closed debate, basically. Cloture requires 60 votes, though it used to be 67. All actual votes are only majority rules (constitutional amendments, impeachments (maybe others) aside).

It's different for a bill under reconciliation which has limited debate, is strictly budgetary (it cannot add to the deficit over 10 years) and I think you're only allowed one budget reconciliation bill per year.

Also, what pac said. Sorry to bottom page you, pal.

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