PhillieMooDo wrote:

Youseff wrote:I'm still mad at her. I feel like that's fair. She's the worst Dem nominee in modern history and that includes Walter Mondale. She's in part responsible for this mess.

This is absolute nonsense.

She lost to a lying madman with a paper trail of lies 40 years long.

Youseff wrote:

PhillieMooDo wrote:

Youseff wrote:I'm still mad at her. I feel like that's fair. She's the worst Dem nominee in modern history and that includes Walter Mondale. She's in part responsible for this mess.

This is absolute nonsense.

She lost to a lying madman with a paper trail of lies 40 years long.

She was also the target of probably the most effective, and long-lasting smear campaign in history. The GOP did a great job of painting Hillary Clinton, and the Clinton family nature did little to dissuade the public's perception of Hillary.

To be fair, the media helped Trump a lot. They seemed incapable of reporting Trump's idiocy honestly, confusing false equivalency with fairness.

TenuredVulture wrote:To be fair, the media helped Trump a lot. They seemed incapable of reporting Trump's idiocy honestly, confusing false equivalency with fairness.

The media normalized him, they made him less threatening to our institutions, and because of that more people felt OK voting for him.

JUburton wrote:Don't think she was a terrible person but wasn't a good candidate. A large portion of that through no fault of her own.

Agree on overzealous Bernie bros but it's been almost a year. This isn't helping anything. Except her bank account I guess.

basically where i'm at with all this

these people tying their hopes and dreams to one politician, whether it's obama, hillary, or bernie, need to stop and realize progress is a big, harsh, long road and become part of it. two steps back, one forward, one back, one huge jump forward, etc etc it's better to invest in policies, not people. i thought she'd get the most done while in office. we never got the chance to test this out since she was such a damned bad campaigner.

time to move on. bernie is pushing many policies i now agree with and appears to be a good vehicle to do so since he also has tempered himself a bit. harris, whoever...i dont care. if you have the policies and the means to get them passed, i'll be about you. but it's time for the entire clinton crew to pass the baton and step aside. a book is fine, but if it's just going to be shit like these leaks, no thanks. OKing Verrit is a terrible choice.

slugsrbad wrote:

Youseff wrote:

PhillieMooDo wrote:

Youseff wrote:I'm still mad at her. I feel like that's fair. She's the worst Dem nominee in modern history and that includes Walter Mondale. She's in part responsible for this mess.

This is absolute nonsense.

She lost to a lying madman with a paper trail of lies 40 years long.

She was also the target of probably the most effective, and long-lasting smear campaign in history. The GOP did a great job of painting Hillary Clinton, and the Clinton family nature did little to dissuade the public's perception of Hillary.

I agree but the Clinton Cash stuff is apparently pretty accurate, pretty well sourced. the sexual appetite of Bill was also fairly accurate & ripe for criticism. & the big AP article about the confluence of Clinton Foundation donors & her role as Sec of State was really damning.

pacino wrote:

A German politician says that her party was the target of cyberattacks from Russia in the lead up to the country’s election.

Julia Klöckner, who along with Chancellor Angela Merkel is part of the Christian Democratic Union, says the group’s website was hit with 3,000 attacks on Sunday, many from Russian IP addresses.

It was not immediately clear who was behind the hacking attempts, or how successful they were.

Germany's intelligence chief said in July that he expected an influence campaign from Moscow ahead of the September 24 election.

The reported hack attempts on Sunday came right before Merkel debated the head of her party’s main rival, the Social Democrats.

Merkel is expected to win a fourth term as chancellor in the election, with a recent opinion poll showing her party with 38% and the SPD with 24%.

So at what point does russia push this enough that countries start calling this a near declaration of war? Obvious attacks like this on the foundation of a democracy seems to really cross the line.

I wish Germany and the rest of Europe would just cut them off and get their energy elsewhere. Russia needs a good smackdown.

Youseff wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

Youseff wrote:

PhillieMooDo wrote:

Youseff wrote:I'm still mad at her. I feel like that's fair. She's the worst Dem nominee in modern history and that includes Walter Mondale. She's in part responsible for this mess.

This is absolute nonsense.

She lost to a lying madman with a paper trail of lies 40 years long.

She was also the target of probably the most effective, and long-lasting smear campaign in history. The GOP did a great job of painting Hillary Clinton, and the Clinton family nature did little to dissuade the public's perception of Hillary.

I agree but the Clinton Cash stuff is apparently pretty accurate, pretty well sourced. the sexual appetite of Bill was also fairly accurate & ripe for criticism. & the big AP article about the confluence of Clinton Foundation donors & her role as Sec of State was really damning.

I'm not going to bring it back up since I went through all this but suffice to say much of it wasn't that damning.

yeah that stuff was mostly a whole lotta nothing. clinton cash is largely bullshit.

disagree with both of you but will take pacino's advice and move on.

Bernie campaigned pretty hard for her after the primaries. I'd be curious to see how many campaign stops he made for her and how many she made during that stretch.

Jmho, I still believe if Hillary made Bernie her running mate the Dems might of won.

I still think they would've won if Warren ran

thephan wrote:

Trump Is 'Not My Bride,' Putin Says

Yes. Wrong b-word.

Gimpy wrote:I still think they would've won if Warren ran

I think virtually anyone but Hillary would have won. But tbf I was bullish until election night.

pacino wrote:

Youseff wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

Youseff wrote:

PhillieMooDo wrote:

Youseff wrote:I'm still mad at her. I feel like that's fair. She's the worst Dem nominee in modern history and that includes Walter Mondale. She's in part responsible for this mess.

This is absolute nonsense.

She lost to a lying madman with a paper trail of lies 40 years long.

She was also the target of probably the most effective, and long-lasting smear campaign in history. The GOP did a great job of painting Hillary Clinton, and the Clinton family nature did little to dissuade the public's perception of Hillary.

I agree but the Clinton Cash stuff is apparently pretty accurate, pretty well sourced. the sexual appetite of Bill was also fairly accurate & ripe for criticism. & the big AP article about the confluence of Clinton Foundation donors & her role as Sec of State was really damning.

I'm not going to bring it back up since I went through all this but suffice to say much of it wasn't that damning.

Fair or not, she's obnoxious and disliked you know that, sir. It's ridiculous to blame her, though, since, as you say, the charges were mostly foo-fa-rah, and gaining the presidency is what she had o her eye on for years and you can hardly blame her for trying when she was that close. The leaders of the Democratic Party, for simply trying to force her candidacy along as inevitable rather than opening things up to an actual choice of voters, though, I can definitely stay pissed at them. Say what you want about Republicans, at least they let the choice of their electorate rise to the top, and thus got a candidate emblematic of their values.

The democrats allowed people to vote. They voted clinton.

If Warren runs, she wins because Bernie gains no momentum and Clinton gets stunted. But she didnt. It happened and it's over.

It's surreal how fucking stupid Trump is

pacino wrote:The democrats allowed people to vote. They voted clinton.

If Warren runs, she wins because Bernie gains no momentum and Clinton gets stunted. But she didnt. It happened and it's over.

It's not worth rehashing, but the DNC definitely engineered it to ward off challengers. It annoys me that someone was rung up there with so many negatives.

But, whatever. In any case people should have been smarter than to vote for Fuckface von Clownstick. But you move on.

swishnicholson wrote:

pacino wrote:The democrats allowed people to vote. They voted clinton.

If Warren runs, she wins because Bernie gains no momentum and Clinton gets stunted. But she didnt. It happened and it's over.

It's not worth rehashing, but the DNC definitely engineered it to ward off challengers. It annoys me that someone was rung up there with so many negatives.

But, whatever. In any case people should have been smarter than to vote for Fuckface von Clownstick. But you move on.

I was thinking folks like Gore, Biden, Kerry, Booker, Warren, etc. all were gonna run in 2016.