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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby Wizlah » Sun Apr 09, 2017 05:12:23

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Monkeyboy wrote:So a guy I work with asked why Assad did the gas strike in the first place. I said that many are saying it was due to Tillerson's comments. Then the guy pointed out that it's hard to believe Assad wouldn't know that Trump would HAVE to react to a chemical weapon.

So wouldn't Assad have to know Trump would react? Wouldn't he have to know Trump would have to do something or risk looking weak?

It's really hard to figure out why all the actors acted as they did in this thing. Usually everyone will act in their best interest, but it seems like several did not in this case.

I wrote a paper about the Iraq War, on the topic of Just War theory, that had a significant section on Saddam Hussein's rationality. This was before we could confirm that Hussein didn't have WMDs. I think it was well written, I got an A actually, but my analysis was flawed. I made similar assumptions about rationality -- why would Hussein kick out the weapons inspectors and induce an invasion if he didn't have WMDs -- and those assumptions didn't hold up. Leaders don't seem to behave rationally with respect to international relations.

In hindsight, domestic politics is often the driving force behind a leader's decision. Is it popular? Does it reduce my opposition? Does it consolidate power? The international fallout is usually secondary, and the leader assumes they can do damage control internationally because he knows that other countries don't actually want a war. I assume Assad, if he got guidance on expected retaliation from abroad, severely discounted it.


That sounds about right. Let's not discount the role of dick-waving in all of this. Even though I support the strike with the understanding that it may preclude further chemical attacks, it's not like I delude myself that Trump suddenly had humanitarian concerns about Syrian civilians. It was a show of "strength" plain and simple. Certainly Assad's attack, following closely on comments indicating even further disassociation from the US at involvement, can be seen as the same. And teh Russian posturing post-event certainly qualifies.

If I slip on my tinfoil hat, it almost seems prearranged, with everyone given their time in the spotlight to strut around and show off for the boys and girls back home. I'm not ready to go that far, but as werthless says, I thinks it's just as unlikely that there is some sort of sophiticated international endgame at play.


There was a solid bit of analysis in the Guardian which pointed out that Assad's army has been fighting 6 years now. That's a long war. Considering the state of his army, and a reasonable expectation of minimum response by other powers who seek to enforce a ban on chemical weapons, it may well have been a worthwhile risk to take. It probably helps that Assad is looking at trump and reckoning on him being unable to commit to military action for any length.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby Wizlah » Sun Apr 09, 2017 05:15:18

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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby The Savior » Sun Apr 09, 2017 07:13:40

Tillerson confirms our strategy in Syria is unchanged. Just don't use sarin gas - tanks, carpet bombing - that's all fine.

And our credibility is back? It's the exact opposite. We continue to show our lack of commitment, compassion, and confidence. We are politically and physically terrified of Russia. Strongest, richest, smartest nation in our universe and we are scared.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Sun Apr 09, 2017 08:34:36

What would you do
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Sun Apr 09, 2017 08:57:31

Trump owns stock in Raytheon.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Sun Apr 09, 2017 09:03:12

#BREAKING: Russia and Iran issue joint statements on U.S. airstrikes targeting Syrian airbase, saying a redline has been crossed.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby CalvinBall » Sun Apr 09, 2017 09:23:47

Ummm

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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby The Savior » Sun Apr 09, 2017 09:42:42

Nikki Haley doing work
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby The Savior » Sun Apr 09, 2017 09:44:49

pacino wrote:
#BREAKING: Russia and Iran issue joint statements on U.S. airstrikes targeting Syrian airbase, saying a redline has been crossed.


Powerful Russia needs to issue a joint statement with a middling state that spends majority of its military spending on sponsorsed terrorism? Sounds about right - Putin has no monies and a populace living in poverty.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

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Haley has career aspirations post-Trump
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby The Savior » Sun Apr 09, 2017 09:45:28

And a backbone. And morals, dare I say.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:10:19

What would you do
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Unread postby CalvinBall » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:13:01

Trump is golfing again today. 16th visit in 11 weeks.

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Unread postby drsmooth » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:37:50

CalvinBall wrote:Trump is golfing again today. 16th visit in 11 weeks.


it's Masters weekend, dude
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:43:55

i only care about the golf insofar as it shows how hypocritical the GOP and President Mr Trump himself were in regards to Obama. for whatever reason presidents love hitting a little white ball to unwind. if Donnie wasn't also watching 3-4 hours of FOX News and Morning Joe on a daily basis it wouldn't even muster any outrage for me. I'm just not sure when he's actually presidenting besides when they put a pen in his hand to sign something or he sits in the White House and accepts a foreign leader.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby Slowhand » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:57:05

CalvinBall wrote:Trump is golfing again today. 16th visit in 11 weeks.


What would you do?
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby The Nightman Cometh » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:12:28

jerseyhoya wrote:More than 24 hours on, still amazed McConnell was able to hold the entire caucus for the nuke. Also will wonder for years what the Democrats thought they were doing. Any possible leverage likely for the rest of his term (barring miracle Sen 2018 takeover) which might contain court shifting openings where fringe GOP senators would become squeamish, tossed away for a futile, base pleasing filibuster on an uber qualified nominee who didn't shift the court that started and ended in the amount of time I was trying to decide between Chipotle and Sweetgreen for lunch. Really amazing stuff. The Dems have become us.

The vast majority of the remaining days of Trump's term in office will be embarrassing as a Republican, but with Gorsuch's confirmation today was one hell of a good one.

Can't wait to lick your tears when we use this precedent to kill the legislative filibuster and push equality and universal healthcare on you.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby The Savior » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:24:56

pacino wrote:What would you do


I'm ratchet up sanctions on Russia and increase military force in the area. And not announce publicly that W will be leaving the area on X date.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby Wolfgang622 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:41:41

The Nightman Cometh wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:More than 24 hours on, still amazed McConnell was able to hold the entire caucus for the nuke. Also will wonder for years what the Democrats thought they were doing. Any possible leverage likely for the rest of his term (barring miracle Sen 2018 takeover) which might contain court shifting openings where fringe GOP senators would become squeamish, tossed away for a futile, base pleasing filibuster on an uber qualified nominee who didn't shift the court that started and ended in the amount of time I was trying to decide between Chipotle and Sweetgreen for lunch. Really amazing stuff. The Dems have become us.

The vast majority of the remaining days of Trump's term in office will be embarrassing as a Republican, but with Gorsuch's confirmation today was one hell of a good one.

Can't wait to lick your tears when we use this precedent to kill the legislative filibuster and push equality and universal healthcare on you.


Seems far more likely the Republicans will kill it themselves to push something ghastly before they lose control of the Senate.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:24:49

mozartpc27 wrote:
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jerseyhoya wrote:More than 24 hours on, still amazed McConnell was able to hold the entire caucus for the nuke. Also will wonder for years what the Democrats thought they were doing. Any possible leverage likely for the rest of his term (barring miracle Sen 2018 takeover) which might contain court shifting openings where fringe GOP senators would become squeamish, tossed away for a futile, base pleasing filibuster on an uber qualified nominee who didn't shift the court that started and ended in the amount of time I was trying to decide between Chipotle and Sweetgreen for lunch. Really amazing stuff. The Dems have become us.

The vast majority of the remaining days of Trump's term in office will be embarrassing as a Republican, but with Gorsuch's confirmation today was one hell of a good one.

Can't wait to lick your tears when we use this precedent to kill the legislative filibuster and push equality and universal healthcare on you.


Seems far more likely the Republicans will kill it themselves to push something ghastly before they lose control of the Senate.

There's no appetite for this whatsoever. While it might be possible we see ending the filibuster happen in our lifetimes, I would be very surprised if it happened in the next decade. And I'd be beyond shocked if this GOP majority did that. Though I have been wrong about things in the past once or twice.

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