Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby td11 » Tue Jan 24, 2017 23:20:48

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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby Woody » Tue Jan 24, 2017 23:23:35

What would Trump have to do for their to be a military coup
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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby drsmooth » Tue Jan 24, 2017 23:25:54

pacino wrote:We're paying for the wall.


Imagine his reaction when Mexico laughs at him tomorrow. They'll say, and have data to back them, that drumpf is building the wall to attempt to keep Mexicans from leaving the US.
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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby drsmooth » Tue Jan 24, 2017 23:34:48

Woody wrote:What would Trump have to do for their to be a military coup


well Frederic March negotiated a nuclear arms treaty - but he was the good guy



and then of course there's Lewis's It Can't Happen Here. but these are fiction.
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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Tue Jan 24, 2017 23:37:43

If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible "carnage" going on, 228 shootings in 2017 with 42 killings (up 24% from 2016), I will send in the Feds!


What are these Feds? Is this the military? Armor on the street corners.
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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Tue Jan 24, 2017 23:46:33

WRT DeVos not getting a second hearing (just vote her in and ruin a generation) there is this little nugget: "She has also donated to at least four of the senators who heard her testimony on Tuesday." Lets face it, of the unqualified candidates, a private school educated person with no teaching experience or credentials what so ever who harbors some unnatural hatred for public education is honestly the biggest possible train wreck that could be put forward.

That said, if careerists like McConnell, who is a bought and paid for lap dog with this wife in the cabinet, cannot push back on "alternate facts", there is little actual hope of these jellyfish pushing back on anything.
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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Tue Jan 24, 2017 23:46:38

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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Tue Jan 24, 2017 23:54:37

Woody wrote:What would Trump have to do for their to be a military coup


well, he is filling up on high profile military leaders, so it would seem to be a hop, skip and a jump. The play is in place.
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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby swishnicholson » Tue Jan 24, 2017 23:59:28

You'll find plenty in this article that's been making the rounds on Facebook that's unfair, simplistic or deceptive, but it's a pretty articulate, um, articulation of a certain point of view:

What so many people don't get about the U.S. working class
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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Wed Jan 25, 2017 07:32:51

Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton has prostate cancer. he had a nasty spill during his state of the state address.
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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Wed Jan 25, 2017 07:48:47

freedom in North Carolina:
After a video was posted on Facebook Friday showing a group of people following McCrory during a trip to Washington, D.C., for inaugural weekend, chanting “Shame!” and calling him a bigot, Sen. Dan Bishop of Charlotte says he’ll introduce legislation to protect public officials.

The proposed legislation would “make it a crime to threaten, intimidate, or retaliate against a present or former North Carolina official in the course of, or on account of, the performance of his or her duties,” Bishop said.

American Civil Liberties Union North Carolina policy director Sarah Gillooly said in an emailed statement that the proposed legislation could limit citizens’ rights.

“People’s right to criticize politicians – whether in a newspaper, at a meeting, or on a public street – is the very heart of what the First Amendment protects,” Gillooly said. “Everyone deserves protection from violence, but politicians who run for and serve in public office shouldn’t get special treatment to shield them from criticism. Any attempt to criminalize peaceful political speech would violate the Constitution and our country’s proud tradition of free speech for all.”

In the video, which lasts three and a half minutes, McCrory, television personality and conservative pundit Lou Dobbs and three unidentified women are approached by people on the street who shout “Shame!” and call McCrory an “anti-gay bigot.” McCrory and his group try to avoid them but are followed down an alley where they waited to be admitted to a building.

None of the people who were shouting physically engaged with anyone in McCrory’s group in the video. No one is heard making any threats. Many of them are shown taking video of the incident on mobile phones.
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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby Bucky » Wed Jan 25, 2017 08:03:47

sounds like they need a safe place

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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 08:14:30

ITS ON!

TRUMP ORDERS A MAJOR INVESTIGATION INTO MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD

So here is the problem, this is really just a bridge to new voter ID laws that likely limit the vote. A secondary problem is that we are going to spend how many millions in investigating Donald's bruised ego. My damn money for this witch hunt.

Any senator or congressman who supports this should be asked at length about the potential legitimacy of their elected status if they believe this is prevalent, even in the face of studies and #LegitimateFacts
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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 08:14:48

Bucky wrote:sounds like they need a safe place


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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 08:33:53

To be fair, from his angle it does look like a lot of people, but to be correct you do not measure something like a crowd size at a glimpse.

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If you need a laugh, here is the link to the #AltFacts view of the D.C. Mall (I forget how to resize smaller): Inaugration Picture White Space
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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Wed Jan 25, 2017 08:38:50

sigh
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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Wed Jan 25, 2017 08:40:51

South Dakota voters passed a ballot measure to enact an ethics commission, campaign finance, lobbying reforms, etc.

South Dakota lawmakers declared an emergency session to get rid of it. Republicans are the ones mostly for scrapping it. They say there are no ethics issues so why even have these laws? Surprise! The swamp extends to South Dakota.

The nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity recently ranked South Dakota47th in the nation for accountability, largely because of its lax lobbying laws. “Little to none of [state legislative and lobbyist interaction] is reported to the public in any detail,” the report said.


If a kid had these Fs on their report card there's be immediate action to rectify the situation.
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In South Dakota, the battle is largely along partisan lines. More than two-thirds of Republican lawmakers have signed onto the repeal effort; not one Democrat has. (That may also be a function of just how small the Democratic Party is in South Dakota: There are 16 Democrats in the entire 105-person legislature.)


Pennsylvania also really, really sucks, too. We're 45th. Alaska, California and Connecticut were the only states that didn't receive a D or F. 50th? Michigan. I would've expected Louisiana but Michigan fits, too.
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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby TomatoPie » Wed Jan 25, 2017 09:01:15

Apologies in advance if this is the wrong thread for this:

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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed Jan 25, 2017 09:08:16

thephan wrote:ITS ON!

TRUMP ORDERS A MAJOR INVESTIGATION INTO MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD

So here is the problem, this is really just a bridge to new voter ID laws that likely limit the vote. A secondary problem is that we are going to spend how many millions in investigating Donald's bruised ego. My damn money for this witch hunt.

Any senator or congressman who supports this should be asked at length about the potential legitimacy of their elected status if they believe this is prevalent, even in the face of studies and #LegitimateFacts


incredible. pumped to have tax dollars wasted on this man's delusions.

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Re: Hail to the Thief: A Politics Thread

Unread postby drsmooth » Wed Jan 25, 2017 09:18:44

swishnicholson wrote:You'll find plenty in this article that's been making the rounds on Facebook that's unfair, simplistic or deceptive, but it's a pretty articulate, um, articulation of a certain point of view:

What so many people don't get about the U.S. working class



Your description is apt, Swish. An articulate articulation of a certain point of view.

Do I have a point of view? Many may be surprised to discover that I do, indeed.

I'm not a fan of Hillbilly Elegy. I have very little sympathy for people who resent people who are most like them, and envious of/obsequious to people who control more resources than they do. That's an attitude they have; something they can do something about. Sure, want more than you have; but resent people who have about what you have? What you are is alienated, Jack. No one makes you lick some drumpfian asshole's boots; you choose to do that. What "real man" wants to be an asshole like, say, Sean Spicer? No one, is who.

The article's passages like these rankle:

What they want is what my father-in-law had: steady, stable, full-time jobs that deliver a solid middle-class life to the 75% of Americans who don’t have a college degree. Trump promises that. I doubt he’ll deliver, but at least he understands what they need.


EVERYone doubts drumpf will deliver. Because he's obviously deranged. He doesn't "understand" ANYthing. Fungus doesn't understand anything. Bacteria doesn't "understand" anything. Creatures that "understand" things don't behave the way the drumpfian spore behaves.

Implicitly, the author sneers at her working-class heroes' intelligence: "what pitiable dopes. Despite ABUNDANT evidence, from his own RECENT history, they actually believe that this 300 lb colon will do something for them, as if he gave one single runny shit about them!"

She even rubs it in with this later bit, telling us that in the midwest, "...shockingly high numbers of working-class men are unemployed or on disability..." Victims all, I'm sure. She's shocked because hey, I thought they wanted to work; but maybe what they REALLY want is to be as thin-skinned, self-absorbed, and vengeful as that bloated, blustering guy on tv; and maybe it's more 'nuanced' than that....

At a deeper level, both parties need an economic program that can deliver middle-class jobs. Republicans have one: Unleash American business.


dear Harvard Business Review article writer girl: that is not a program, ffs. that is a slogan. Suckers are fooled by slogans. The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, are governing machines, 'inventions' for the project of governance - programs. ACA is program. A clunky, clanky, poorly composed program. But it's something you, me, we, anyone who can read & reason, can DO something with.

I also have issues with her predictable, pathetic urging to give tons of attention to job re-training (apologies to our worthy dajafi). Training/re-training certainly has a place - a place receding in importance for contending with the national & global economic future. During the past 30-50 years, with penstrokes, owners have arrogated to themselves disproportionate shares of property & output - intellectual and other. Those essentially unilateral 'free-market' 'bargains' can be 'amended'. It takes determination. But not re-training.

Ms Williams is apparently innocent of US labor history, which if she knew anything of it, would cause her to be quite doubtful of her certainty that emphasizing class differences in the US is just the way to rally the troops. Those differences, exist of course, but becoming "less clueless" about them as a way out of where we are is problematic-at best. She should go ask this guy about how well that has worked.
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