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Unread postby Bucky » Thu Mar 20, 2014 06:39:42

phatj wrote: There is no free lunch.



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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Fri Mar 21, 2014 07:30:55

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Monkeyboy wrote:Some of it would go to oxygen and some of it to the biomass of algae. I would need to know how it works to say more. If the biomass is then burned to release the energy, then some of that would be released as CO2, some of which may be reused by the algae.

This is what I mean. Yeah, you can use photosynthesis to store the sun's energy, in the form of carbohydrates, which extracts CO2 from and releases O2 to the atmosphere, but then what? If you want to use the energy, you pretty much have to "burn" the carbs, whether by literal combustion or some sort of catalytic reaction. Either way, you're going to extract O2 and release CO2, so you're back where you started. There is no free lunch.

Monkeyboy wrote:This is just the beginning of this stuff and it does worry me a bit. Algae is seen by some people as a way to make fuels. The idea is to have huge algae farms that grow the algae and then process it as a lipid oil biofuel. It is then put in your car or whatever in the same way as fuel made from corn is used. It does little to help the environment because it releases CO2 and it keeps us from developing energy sources that aren't oil based. It does burn cleaner than fossil fuel, but that isn't saying much. But hey, at least the auto manufacturers and energy companies won't be hurt by having to adjust and compete with real alternative energy.

I don't know, I think this has promise. It's at least a closed cycle, unlike fossil fuels.



I agree that it is better than fossil fuels. My concern is that people will think algae is THE answer when really it's still more of the same in terms of releasing CO2 and other pollutants. I would trade algae for fossils fuels in a second, but I still want us working on clean energy sources that don't deplete resources or pollute the environment. I don't want people to say, "Thank God, we have algae, now we can relax."
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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby SK790 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 20:34:37

There was a gigantic mudslide north of here yesterday. The news here is all over it, but I doubt it's getting much national attention. 18 people missing, 3 confirmed dead. It's an interesting area for it to happen in. There's basically a big mountain that juts out of the Casacdes and is surrounded by a big canyon. There are small towns all through the canyon which are now blocked out one way. There's one town in particular that is just east of where the slide happened that now have to go around the whole loop to get out of the town because the other roads are still closed due to winter snowfall.

The slide happened near the town of Oso, burying houses and cars. From what they've been saying, it pretty much took less than 30 seconds for a debris field a mile wide to cover the valley. They've been searching all day for the missing people, but only found 1 person and they were dead. Sad.

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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby phatj » Sun Mar 23, 2014 21:29:04

Yikes, that's horrifying.
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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby phatj » Wed Mar 26, 2014 20:45:32

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/ ... -sea-slug/

This critter can make its own chlorophyll.

Makes me wonder why, evolutionarily speaking, this isn't common.
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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby The Dude » Wed Mar 26, 2014 21:30:29

i make my own chlorophyll
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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby SK790 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 22:39:38

more like boraphyll
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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:12:26

phatj wrote:http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/01/green-sea-slug/

This critter can make its own chlorophyll.

Makes me wonder why, evolutionarily speaking, this isn't common.



I couldn't say for sure, but it might have something to do with the fact that an individual plant/chlorophyll maker doesn't make much food/glucose compared to how much an animal needs to survive. There's a 90% drop in energy as you move up the food chain, so an average animal would need to make about 10 times the food than the average similarly massed plant in order to have enough to survive. Of course, it sure wouldn't hurt to have the ability in times of food shortages, though hibernating or dormancy is probably a lot easier.
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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby td11 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:08:17

check out mercury:

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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Thu Mar 27, 2014 16:28:12

My God, it's full of stars
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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Mar 27, 2014 16:32:58

and people think earth doesnt give a shit about their environment. the alien on mercury covered their entire planet in oil.

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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby Luzinski's Gut » Thu Mar 27, 2014 21:16:46

Huh. Wonder why it's so blue.
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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby The Dude » Thu Mar 27, 2014 21:19:24

dat gasss
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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Thu Mar 27, 2014 21:39:01

Luzinski's Gut wrote:Huh. Wonder why it's so blue.



I think that's just the color filters used. The different colors represent different substances, but I can't recall what the blue means. Maybe it's sulfur as I seem to remember the sulfur being a big deal, but don't quote me on that.
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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby SK790 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 21:59:02

The Dude wrote:dat gasss

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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sun Apr 20, 2014 06:31:22

How your body deals with viruses...

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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby Bucky » Tue Jun 03, 2014 09:55:33

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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Tue Jun 03, 2014 18:44:49

It's not a planet. It's a huge death star. Seriously though--it violates at least two of our ideas about how planets form--it's too big and dense, and its star is too old for one of its planets to have metal. I just hope that stuff about faster than light travel being impossible is true.
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Re: Rolling Science and Nature Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Tue Jun 03, 2014 19:08:01

Either the planet is very dense or the star is less dense than expected. Since they figure out the mass of the planet by using the mass of the star, I would guess the planet could be much less dense than expected if their analysis of the star is incorrect. I'm no astronomer, but I think that logic is correct. So, I'm not sure how they know if it's a new kind of planet or a different kind of star. But again, I'm no astronomer.
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