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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby Phred » Tue Oct 20, 2015 14:07:30

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Phred wrote:If I wanted to read a Star Wars book or two in order to catch me up and fill in some stuff that happens between now and when this movie comes out, what would it/they be? Is there such a thing or do I have to watch The Clone Wars?

Read Aftermath if you want to stick to books and only want to read one or two. It doesn't follow our original heroes--in fact, it barely mentions some of them--but it's a very good read. It gives you a lot of the "what the hell happens now?" perspective, especially from the Imperials. And after every few chapters it has an "interlude" chapter that takes you somewhere completely unrelated to the main storyline and often uses characters that we know from the original trilogy. I also expect that some of the new characters introduced in Aftermath will appear in the next films. The first chapter or two is available on starwars.com if you want to check it out before buying it. It's the first book in a trilogy, but the next two books won't come out until well after Ep VII. I think the second book is due in summer 2016.

If you're willing to branch out a bit, check out the Shattered Empire comic book series. It's four issues, and the final issue drops this week. It deals with the main characters a bit more than Aftermath does, but it still mostly follows a new character (who is related to one of the characters to Ep VII, but I won't say more than that b/c it's a minor spoiler). The art is absolutely beautiful, and the storyline is very compelling too. I've been raving about it in the comics thread.

There is a ton of new media out there, a lot of which fills in time periods between the other movies. There's a particular focus on the post-Ep III timeline, but there's also a lot of comics that fill in the details of the period between Eps IV and V. Some of that earlier stuff also gives hints about what may be happening in the timeline leading up to Ep VII, especially about what Luke is doing now. There are three junior novels--one each for Luke, Leia, and Han/Chewie--that are set up as a frame story, so the beginning and end chapters give you a bit more insight into the Ep VII world. Those are actually really good reads, but I don't know how much of a time/money commitment you want to make for it.

I've got pretty much all of the new books on Kindle. I'd be happy to lend them to you if you want to hit me up.


I ma mostly working out of the library so I'll start with Aftermath and go from there. Not sure how lending books through a kindle works but that would be awesome. Thanks (and thanks for the info...good stuff)!

I've never done it before but it looks pretty easy. The only catch is that you can only loan to one person at a time and the time limit is 2 or 3 weeks (I forget which). But you can always circumvent the time limit the same way that you do with library e-books by just turning off your Kindle's wifi and not syncing with Amazon until you're done with the book.

If you PM me your e-mail address attached to your Amazon account I'll give it a shot with Aftermath.


I just started reading Y: The Last Man, so give me a couple days and we'll give it a try. I don't want to have it sitting around in case you want to lend it to someone else.
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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:08:42

what about Yoda? he still around?

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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby Brantt » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:14:23

Houshphandzadeh wrote:what about Yoda? he still around?


Died in ESB. I guess he could appear in spirit to Luke moving forward.
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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby The Dude » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:17:57

in the fan fic i wrote yoda's spirit inhabited the body of a jukebox
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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby slugsrbad » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:31:55

The Dude wrote:in the fan fic i wrote yoda's spirit inhabited the body of a jukebox


<A shrouded figure approaches the tiny green jukebox in the Mos Eisley Cantina and deposits a few Galactic Credits.>

Disembodied Voice: For an additional three credits your selection next I will play.

<The shrouded figure steps into the light, revealing it to be none other than Luke Skywalker. A single tear rolls down his face; the voice of his dead master fills him with a deep regret that he did not confess his undying love for the Jedi Master while he was still alive.>
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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:20:06

Brantt wrote:
Houshphandzadeh wrote:what about Yoda? he still around?


Died in ESB. I guess he could appear in spirit to Luke moving forward.

ROTJ.

I think that the Force ghost thing will definitely resurface in Eps VII-IX... whether it's through Anakin or Yoda, who knows. There were those rumors about Hayden Christensen prepping for an Ep VIII appearance. We obviously can't get Alec Guiness as Obi-Wan's Force ghost, but maybe they can do something via CGI and use Ewan McGregor's voice.

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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:24:14

what's a force ghost?

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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby The Dude » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:24:49

it's like a rape spirit
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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby slugsrbad » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:33:04

Houshphandzadeh wrote:what's a force ghost?


Lower left corner of your avatar, probably.
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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:38:20

Houshphandzadeh wrote:what's a force ghost?

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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:39:37

yeah I remember that bit but what are they?

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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby slugsrbad » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:51:04

Houshphandzadeh wrote:yeah I remember that bit but what are they?


So when a force-sensitive person dies they're supposed to become one with the force and cease to exist as an individual; however, some people say fuck that noise and retain their individuality and have the ability to interact w/ the living. I think.
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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby Brantt » Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:19:28

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
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Houshphandzadeh wrote:what about Yoda? he still around?


Died in ESB. I guess he could appear in spirit to Luke moving forward.

ROTJ.

I think that the Force ghost thing will definitely resurface in Eps VII-IX... whether it's through Anakin or Yoda, who knows. There were those rumors about Hayden Christensen prepping for an Ep VIII appearance. We obviously can't get Alec Guiness as Obi-Wan's Force ghost, but maybe they can do something via CGI and use Ewan McGregor's voice.


Damn.....can't believe I screwed that up.

Wouldn't Luke be the only one who could see the force ghosts of Yoda or Anakin?
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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Oct 21, 2015 13:49:50

slugsrbad wrote:
Houshphandzadeh wrote:yeah I remember that bit but what are they?


So when a force-sensitive person dies they're supposed to become one with the force and cease to exist as an individual; however, some people say #$!&@ that noise and retain their individuality and have the ability to interact w/ the living. I think.

We got some canon explanation in Season 6 of the Clone Wars.

Qui-Gon partly learned the technique prior to his death--I say partly because he was never able to appear in full ghost form but was instead just a disembodied voice. (We heard him speak to Anakin briefly while Anakin was slaughtering the Sand People in Ep II.) He taught it to Obi-Wan and Yoda while they were in exile, and they were able to master the technique completely.

I don't believe that there has ever been a canon explanation as to why Anakin was able to do it--perhaps he discovered the technique himself while experimenting with the ability to cheat death as a Dark Side user.

Brantt wrote:Wouldn't Luke be the only one who could see the force ghosts of Yoda or Anakin?


It's unclear whether the ghosts can limit the person to whom they appear or if they are only visible to trained Force users. Leia couldn't see them on Endor, and that's the only example that we have of anyone else encountering them besides a trained Jedi, but that fits with either hypothesis. I prefer the latter hypothesis though--if the ability to see the Force ghosts correlates with mastery of the Force, that would explain why Obi-Wan was only a disembodied voice in Ep IV, appeared very sporadically to Luke in Ep V, but was fully visible for a conversation with Luke after Yoda's death in Ep VI.

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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Oct 21, 2015 14:36:37

While you guys have me going theoretical about the films, I just wanted to share this theory that fixes (IMO) one of the worst non-Jar-Jar components of the prequels: Padme's death.

So the only on-screen explanation for her death is that the medical droids have no idea what is wrong with her and suggest that she's lost the will to live. The viewer is left with the impression that she died of a broken heart, or some shit. That's just garbage. Very few women who has just given birth to their first child would ever be so despondent as to give up living, even under horrible circumstances... and nothing we've seen from Padme would suggest that she would have that mindset. Besides, we watch her struggle to remain conscious and name her newborn children. I call bullshit on her having lost the will to live. But droids wouldn't be able to observe or comprehend the Force, so their confusion makes perfect sense.

We know that Sidious's master, Darth Plagueis, had discovered the ability to manipulate midichlorians to preserve and create life. And we know that Sidious hints that he has--or nearly has--mastered that ability himself. In fact, Sidious tells us that he killed Plagueis only after he learned everything that he could from him. It's the worm that lures Anakin to the Dark Side, and it's highly unlikely that Lucas had Sidious outright lie to Anakin in that scene, if only because Sidious never outright lied to Anakin at any other time in the prequels or Clone Wars series. He never had to... manipulating the truth was far more effective.

Fast forward to when Sidious puts Vader in the suit. The table lifts Vader into a standing position and he immediately asks about Padme. Sidious tells Vader that "in your anger, you killed her." Vader initially rejects this answer by saying that he could feel her before accepting the "truth" and unleashing his full rage (destroying the droids and the medical facility in the process). This means that Sidious already knew that Padme was dead even though she died on a remote asteroid in the middle of nowhere. This is the most concrete piece of evidence for this theory, as there is no possible alternative way that Sidious could have known this. In fact, Sidious gives a creepy-ass smile after he tells Vader, but Vader is too busy doing a bad Frankenstein routine to notice his master's joy.

And, again, arguably what Sidious said to Vader was true. Had Vader not succumbed to fear and anger on Mustafar, choking Padme and dueling Obi-Wan, the chain of events leading to Padme's death wouldn't have happened.

Hell, if you want to get crazy, it's definitely arguable that Sidious used some type of SIth sorcery to imbue Anakin with Padme's life force. Lucas edits the film so that Padme dies just as the final touches are being done on Vader's restoration and entombment. Those films had many flaws, but Lucas put a ton of thought into the editing and sequencing of them (see the Star Wars Ring Theory for more on that), so I don't think that was unintentional or coincidental at all.

As to a motive: Why would Sidious care about killing Padme? It's very simple. He believed that he was cutting the final thread that tied Vader to Anakin Skywalker. Killing her ensured that Vader would have no reason to be disloyal to Sidious, and his disfigurement meant that Vader would never be strong enough to supplant his master.

Although I came to this realization independently while re-reading the Darth Plagueis novel (now non-canon but highly influential and incorporated partly into the new canon "Tarkin" novel) a while back, I'm hardly the first person to think of this--for you ASOIAF book fans it's seems to be the Star Wars equivalent of coming to the R+L=J theory on my own. But I think it makes a ton of sense. Unfortunately, this explanation probably will never appear on-screen and is unlikely to be clarified in a book/comic (unless we get the unlikely event of a Sidious title somewhere down the road).

Sorry for the long post, but as you can tell, this stuff is extremely fun for me.

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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby WheelsFellOff » Wed Oct 21, 2015 16:44:55

Dork
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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby JUburton » Wed Oct 21, 2015 17:07:08

Got IMAX 3D tix for Sunday morning 8-)

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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Wed Oct 21, 2015 18:34:27

JUburton wrote:Got IMAX 3D tix for Sunday morning 8-)

How'd you score such an advanced screening?
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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Oct 22, 2015 09:14:33

WheelsFellOff wrote:Dork

Whatever.

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Re: Star Wars (now owned by Disney)

Postby The Savior » Thu Oct 22, 2015 21:26:43

wife told me today nonchalantly that she has never seen the star war movies

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