Roy Halladay Retires

by **Slowhand** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 20:34:23

Not surprising but damn it sure does suck

by **Gimpy** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 21:00:49

smitty wrote:
Gimpy wrote:
Napalm wrote:found myself defending amaro today after hearing someone say that halladay never won a ring because rube is an idiot. while i agreed that rube is a dummy, he put together the best team in baseball. its a funny game

now i feel dirty

Yea, I mean, we won 97 and 102 games in 2010 and 2011. Sometimes things just don't break for you in the playoffs. 2011 was the big heartbreaker for me when we COULDN'T SCORE A FUCKING RUN in Game 5. Sorry, I'm still bitter.

Amaro had nothing to do with those teams that won all those games. The credit should go to Ed Wade or even Roy Hamey.

He didn't lay the groundwork, no, but he did have a hand in adding some pieces (Halladay, Lee twice, Oswalt, Pence, Ibanez) that helped us get there. I'm not an Amaro apologist though so I'm not trying to keep advocating for him. I feel like I should go shower now.

by **Napalm** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 21:39:20

roy hamey. smitty'd

by **smitty** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 22:09:55

Napalm wrote:roy hamey. smitty'd

Murray Dickson, Jim Greengrass, Marv Blaylock, Bobby Morgan and Elmer Valo and Saul Rogovin and Solly Hemus. That formed the core that led to our glory days.

by **smitty** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 22:12:13

Gimpy wrote:
smitty wrote:
Gimpy wrote:
Napalm wrote:found myself defending amaro today after hearing someone say that halladay never won a ring because rube is an idiot. while i agreed that rube is a dummy, he put together the best team in baseball. its a funny game

now i feel dirty

Yea, I mean, we won 97 and 102 games in 2010 and 2011. Sometimes things just don't break for you in the playoffs. 2011 was the big heartbreaker for me when we COULDN'T SCORE A FUCKING RUN in Game 5. Sorry, I'm still bitter.

Amaro had nothing to do with those teams that won all those games. The credit should go to Ed Wade or even Roy Hamey.

He didn't lay the groundwork, no, but he did have a hand in adding some pieces (Halladay, Lee twice, Oswalt, Pence, Ibanez) that helped us get there. I'm not an Amaro apologist though so I'm not trying to keep advocating for him. I feel like I should go shower now.

I agree with you. There's a lot of senseless criticism here. I admire your use of common sense in your post.

Just Smitty being Smitty. The Roy Hamey reference is the clue.

by **Stripes** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 23:15:58

It was tough watching him struggle so bad the last 2 years. He gave us all he had, and outworked everyone. That's all you can hope for.

Not a big surprise, I guess.

by **Philly the Kid** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 00:14:17

No regrets to have had Roy even for his two dominant seasons. Only sad for him that he didn't get that ring for the 102 win Phillies...

Not since Lefty did I enjoy a guy start-to-start - the "Ace of Aces" ... not sure he played long enough - but hope he gets to the HOF.

by **mcare89** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 01:08:34

VoxOrion wrote:The Blue Jays thing really bothers me.

Why? I figured the only way he'd ever consider going into the HOF as a Phillie would be if he won a ring or two. Without that, why wouldn't he retire a Blue Jay? Without the Blue Jays investing in him, his retirement happens twelve years ago and nobody gives a damn.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 01:39:05

by **swishnicholson** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 03:13:28

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Thanks Roy. Those two years were amazing. I really regret only seeing him pitch once.

I think the only time I saw him was this last season, against San Diego on September 12. He had a seven run lead and just had to make to through the fifth to pick up a win but couldn't do it. Heartbreaking and I'm sure extremely frustrating for him. Glad he did manage to pick up a win after that, since I was afraid it was his last chance.

That was perhaps the only time live, but I prefer to remember his cold-eyed stare keeping me glued to the chair while I watched him dice up another batter on tv.

by **CFP** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 08:05:58

Thought the DN would maybe go with "The Doctor is Out" or something.

by **VoxOrion** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 08:26:51

mcare89 wrote:
VoxOrion wrote:The Blue Jays thing really bothers me.

Why? I figured the only way he'd ever consider going into the HOF as a Phillie would be if he won a ring or two. Without that, why wouldn't he retire a Blue Jay? Without the Blue Jays investing in him, his retirement happens twelve years ago and nobody gives a damn.

Because in lieu of a WS ring or two, the two achievements he'll be best remembered for - the perfect game and the post-season no-no - were in a Phillies uniform.

by **Soren** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:06:51

That Philadelphia sports fans are demanding, psychotic, violent illiterates is a trope that we tire of as much as we play into. Our leading sports radio voice has spent the past 15 years waging war against Donovan McNabb, from the moment he was drafted to the present day. We ran Eric Lindros out of town for committing the crime of leading us to the cusp of a Stanley Cup, then did the same to Allen Iverson and Mike Richards. We almost did the same to Cole Hamels, and we’re another losing season or two from doing it Claude Giroux. The Phillies’ all-time OBP leader, Bobby Abreu, is, to this day, reviled for reasons I still have trouble articulating. We Philadelphia sports fans aren’t angry, or demanding, or passionate. We’re certifiable.

loved Baumann's article until I got to this paragraph and the bolded part specifically. AI was beloved even with all his ridiculously transparent flaws.

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:10:03

I think McNabb is the only one it really fits for

by **Napalm** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:11:12

bobby abreu!

:ce:

by **philliesphhan** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:28:41

mcare89 wrote:
VoxOrion wrote:The Blue Jays thing really bothers me.

Why? I figured the only way he'd ever consider going into the HOF as a Phillie would be if he won a ring or two. Without that, why wouldn't he retire a Blue Jay? Without the Blue Jays investing in him, his retirement happens twelve years ago and nobody gives a damn.

Doesn't matter what he'd consider anyway as they changed that rule. If you recall, Dawson wanted to go in as a Cub, but he's there as an Expo. I think they pretty much just pick whatever team you spent the most time playing for

by **Bucky** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:31:57

how did this change from what team he'd retire from to HOF

by **SK790** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 22:31:34

i doubt halladay gives one flying fuck about what people think about where he should retire and rightfully so. the man was a legend. thanks for the great years, doc.

by **swishnicholson** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 23:06:52

SK790 wrote:i doubt halladay gives one flying fuck about what people think about where he should retire and rightfully so. the man was a legend. thanks for the great years, doc.

I think he cares a little. While he was traded and thus didn't really "desert" Toronto, I'm sure he sees the retirement gesture as a a bit of a way to heal any hurt feelings.

But yeah, anyone in either Philly or Toronto that doesn't respect what he did and how he did it can take a flying leap.

by **Gimpy** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 23:25:41

smitty wrote:
Gimpy wrote:
smitty wrote:
Gimpy wrote:
Napalm wrote:found myself defending amaro today after hearing someone say that halladay never won a ring because rube is an idiot. while i agreed that rube is a dummy, he put together the best team in baseball. its a funny game

now i feel dirty

Yea, I mean, we won 97 and 102 games in 2010 and 2011. Sometimes things just don't break for you in the playoffs. 2011 was the big heartbreaker for me when we COULDN'T SCORE A FUCKING RUN in Game 5. Sorry, I'm still bitter.

Amaro had nothing to do with those teams that won all those games. The credit should go to Ed Wade or even Roy Hamey.

He didn't lay the groundwork, no, but he did have a hand in adding some pieces (Halladay, Lee twice, Oswalt, Pence, Ibanez) that helped us get there. I'm not an Amaro apologist though so I'm not trying to keep advocating for him. I feel like I should go shower now.

I agree with you. There's a lot of senseless criticism here. I admire your use of common sense in your post.

Just Smitty being Smitty. The Roy Hamey reference is the clue.

I should probably read entire posts before I begin to respond. For someone that's sarcastic so frequently, it's pretty funny that I don't pick it up from others.

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