i'd be surprised if anybody made a big deal this season.

I guess I disagree with the notion that the cupboard was bare when Klentak took over. Its easy to say our prospects ending up stinking but maybe that was because Klentak's development staff was the problem. When he took over we were regarded as a Top 10 farm system (Crawford, Alfaro, Nick Williams, Kilome, Quinn, Jake Thompson, etc.) We also had the #1 pick in the 2016 draft, the largest pool allocation both in the draft and internationally. His guys just blew it.

Squire wrote:I guess I disagree with the notion that the cupboard was bare when Klentak took over. Its easy to say our prospects ending up stinking but maybe that was because Klentak's development staff was the problem. When he took over we were regarded as a Top 10 farm system (Crawford, Alfaro, Nick Williams, Kilome, Quinn, Jake Thompson, etc.) We also had the #1 pick in the 2016 draft, the largest pool allocation both in the draft and internationally. His guys just blew it.

+ a bunch.

Look no further than MLB.com's list of the top young stars in baseball - no Phillie even receiving votes https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-young-star ... ngs-2020-1

Squire wrote:I guess I disagree with the notion that the cupboard was bare when Klentak took over. Its easy to say our prospects ending up stinking but maybe that was because Klentak's development staff was the problem. When he took over we were regarded as a Top 10 farm system (Crawford, Alfaro, Nick Williams, Kilome, Quinn, Jake Thompson, etc.) We also had the #1 pick in the 2016 draft, the largest pool allocation both in the draft and internationally. His guys just blew it.

If you're right, and I have no reason to think you're not right, than it isn't just Klentak, but pretty much everyone in player development and maybe even scouting....

On a positive note, and I know this is based on all of 4 at bats, I was pretty impressed by Bohm at the plate last night. For a big lanky guy, I was surprised at how short, quick, and compact his swing looked. Rhys should take notes. His fielding a couple times looked questionable.

~$50 million (more like $40 million for tax purposes) being tied up in Cutch, Segura, Kingery and Odubel next year isn't great...

I wonder if they'd look into moving Cutch. He'd probably need to show a little more this year that he's back.

Just stinks how every year there's some new set of deadweight salary that we're looking forward to getting off of.

Man, I forgot all about Odubel.

PSUsarge wrote:Look no further than MLB.com's list of the top young stars in baseball - no Phillie even receiving votes https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-young-star ... ngs-2020-1

If you did this list again 8 weeks from now you'd probably see Bohm and Howard on there

ReadingPhilly wrote:i'd be surprised if anybody made a big deal this season.

agreed but we can dream

Man, he was exciting to watch!

TMac was talking last night about some of his numbers over, I think, a 10 year span. I don't remember all the categories he was discussing, but man it was impressive when you heard his name listed in top 3-5 among legends of that era, all Hall of Famers.

And it wasn’t just his accomplishments, it was how he did it with a beautiful combination of power, speed and gracefulness.

JFLNYC wrote:And it wasn’t just his accomplishments, it was how he did it with a beautiful combination of power, speed and gracefulness.

While dealing with a bunch of racists who didn't want to see him succeed

Grotewold wrote:

MoBettle wrote:

Grotewold wrote:I think he was in a really tough spot, between the bareness of the cupboard and the pressure from the fans and Middleton.

That said, there just aren’t many positives or savvy moves to point to.

Not ideal, but you generally don't get an ideal job as a new GM. Others have done much more with much less.

Agreed. I hope they continue their progress/recovery on analytics.

This is a recent AMA on reddit with a manager in their front office. How topical!

https://www.reddit.com/r/phillies/comme ... _baseball/

CFP wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:And it wasn’t just his accomplishments, it was how he did it with a beautiful combination of power, speed and gracefulness.

While dealing with a bunch of racists who didn't want to see him succeed

Hoping this really helps his case for the Hall, as it should in 2020.

CFP wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:And it wasn’t just his accomplishments, it was how he did it with a beautiful combination of power, speed and gracefulness.

While dealing with a bunch of racists who didn't want to see him succeed

Yeah, TMac gave him a nice salute, which is appreciated, but also said how "everyone who watched him in the 1960's said he was their favorite player." That's quite possibly what they say now, but he actually had to deal with quantum levels of hatred when he was here (including by my Dad, who said he was a bum).

Bucky wrote:https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/onbase_plus_slugging_plus_career.shtml?fbclid=IwAR1wgu2YZvOe4sEMYrP57imJ9fkwcAf5osFIqdGQlBUqMPsf0Pf0Na0PoJo

Guys just behind Allen in adjusted OPS+: Mays, Aaron, DiMaggio, Frank Robinson.