If the sixers were still playing, would there still be a call for his ouster or.would this just be a funny little joke?

heyeaglefn wrote:He was perceived as shady and dishonest, now there is proof to back it up. Changes a lot of things with players being able to trust him.

Does anyone trust Pat Riley?

It’s not all or nothing. But all things being equal I’d prefer my mediocre GM be seen as trustworthy yeah

Some of you are acting like Collars is going to keep his job. That's not happening.

azrider wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:He was perceived as shady and dishonest, now there is proof to back it up. Changes a lot of things with players being able to trust him.

Does anyone trust Pat Riley?

Trust his 8 rings. Colangelo made the conference finals 12 years ago and has a rich daddy tho.

The level of leaks out of Colangelo from this are basically unprecedented, and unless you can guarantee all the burners were found, there's no way to know when it's over. Makes the Magic Whiteboard look like Fort Knox. I don't trust Riley in the sense that like I would expect him to trade me. It's completely different

And if we need to put rings on the table there’s Pavorsky

MoBettle wrote:

azrider wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:He was perceived as shady and dishonest, now there is proof to back it up. Changes a lot of things with players being able to trust him.

Does anyone trust Pat Riley?

Trust his 8 rings. Colangelo made the conference finals 12 years ago and has a rich daddy tho.

The level of leaks out of Colangelo from this are basically unprecedented, and unless you can guarantee all the burners were found, there's no way to know when it's over. Makes the Magic Whiteboard look like Fort Knox. I don't trust Riley in the sense that like I would expect him to trade me. It's completely different

yeah, it's about winning. riley has been talking shit and burning bridges for the past 30 years. we all know pretty much every front office leaks and talks shit out there. most don't get caught as it's been told to be off the record. most of those who were talked about, have an excellent idea of where it did originate from.

the question is whether harris is willing to see this through because he is confident bryan can make them a winner?

remember how NOBODY trusted that weasel howie and no one would want to coach or work with him? Lurie trusted him, and i guess the rest is history and all those years prior and the reputation that he had was soon forgotten. Winning cure ills. personally i'm not a fan of the colangelo's and would love to see them both gone, but he's done a good job. This will blow over, even with the hinkie cult members in today's fast moving news cycle. The question is do i or actually harris still believe that bryan is the right man for the job?

Colangelo wasn't brought in because Harris thought he was a unique mind he was brought in because the league and his dad staged a coup. We can't talk about this guy without that context. Why do you think league puppet Scott O'Neil is the one sticking up for him?

I'm not sure how you can compare howie or Riley to any of this. There were a series of twitter accounts that trashed players on the team for over a year. This is completely without precedent.

Embiid has already said if it's true it's bad. Do you really want to test how far he would go on this?

Interesting question regardless of whether he stays, can Barbara or whoever kick the habit?

Maybe she/they will learn their lesson and stay logged off, or maybe they'll just be smarter about it with their future burners.

Nobody ever logs off

LeBron made fun of it

pacino wrote:LeBron made fun of it

Media: "Did you read Gilbert's tweets about you guys making it to the finals?"

Lebron: "No, I'm not on social media right now. It was his account though, right?"

Ugh.

BC has to go.

MoBettle wrote:Colangelo wasn't brought in because Harris thought he was a unique mind he was brought in because the league and his dad staged a coup.. We can't talk about this guy without that context.

and how much of all this is unprecedented and unworkable because of this?

if this was hinkie in the same situation, would we be looking at and seeing how other front offices have had toxic situations and still won or how other front office personnel were able to quickly repair their image?

i hate the colangelo's and maybe only 1/3 of it is related to basketball. the old man is a snake in the grass and i don't trust either of them. and i will be honest with myself and all of you, i want bryan AND jerry gone because of that.

if this were sam hinkie, azrider would give him a slap on the wrist.

if this were another GM that wasn't forced here and had made all the same moves as bryan, which have been better than solid, he too would get a slap on the wrist.

the only point i am trying to make is that i'm honest of the reason i want them both out of here and this makes for a convenient reason.

i will also be honest with you all too in saying that if the sixers were playing right now and fultz was a sure fired all-star, i would conveniently forget hinkie and the past, totally support him in this unfortunate situation, and probably give him and his dad a percentage of the team, i know they are so desperately trying to acquire.

Colangelo's are a corrupt clan that hangs their hat on their name.

Get rid of this devil NOW.

heyeaglefn wrote:He was perceived as shady and dishonest, now there is proof to back it up. Changes a lot of things with players being able to trust him.

Every one of the guys would do the exact same thing today they did before even if Attila the Hun were GM. As for LeBron, we know exactly how important a team’s FO is because after Dan Gilbert trashed him publicly when he signed with the Heat (and Pat Riley!) in 2010 he’d never play for a snake like that again.

Isn't that an argument to can him though (players don't care about the GM)

The thing I'm concerned about is revamping the entire management of the team so close to LeBron pitch time. Disingenuous or not BC can make the pitch from the perspective of, we (under my watch/with me and Brett I'm charge) built up this core and now need the missing piece. I'm pretty sure if others had interviewed already as well that news would be out there

I would definitely be OK with Griffin though even as a complete outsider bc of the LBJ relationship but for anyone else, here's a guy who needs to start fresh in his relationship with Brett, scouting dept, analytics dept, etc, etc...and does that guys philosophy marry well with Brett, etc

I would also hope/expect that someone in the org who isn't named colangelo is tampering hard with rich Paul to get LeBron's take/input on the whole situation. Obviously if LeBron doesn't want him he needs to go

joe table wrote:Isn't that an argument to can him though (players don't care about the GM)

The thing I'm concerned about is revamping the entire management of the team so close to LeBron pitch time. Disingenuous or not BC can make the pitch from the perspective of, we (under my watch/with me and Brett I'm charge) built up this core and now need the missing piece. I'm pretty sure if others had interviewed already as well that news would be out there

I agree with you across the board, José. If LeBron decides Philly is the best chance for him to win next year, he’ll sign in Philly regardless of who the GM is.

I made clear a couple of days ago my qualms about the timing of all this. If it sounds in any respect that I want Colangelo to stay it’s only because of my fears and those you mentioned. Better the devil you know and all that.

If they decide to make a change, though, I also agree with you about Griffin. Smart guy, apparently good relationship with LeBron. I’m confident he’d do well in the long run. It’s this offseason that concerns me. I want the best person for that job, whoever it is, even if it means it’s BC.

Just can’t fathom BC as the best person now. Hire Lebrons mom ffs