finding it hard to believe

it was heaveeeeennnnn

Then again, if this is considered bullying now, I just don't know anymore.

ol friend Rupp is a Mariners, signed a minor league deal

Slowhand wrote:Then again, if this is considered bullying now, I just don't know anymore.

Well, yeah, singling someone out for abuse, and continuing to do it when they said they'd rather you not, and being able to do it because you're in a position of authority by virtue of your age and the manager's support, is bullying.

Here's a good test: turn it around and have Hicks badger Norris every time he sees an opportunity in order "to make Norris a better player." Then you can decide whether the behavior is abusive or truly designed to help the team. My guess is it would result in Norris with his hands around Hicks' neck.

swishnicholson wrote:

Slowhand wrote:Then again, if this is considered bullying now, I just don't know anymore.

Well, yeah, singling someone out for abuse, and continuing to do it when they said they'd rather you not, and being able to do it because you're in a position of authority by virtue of your age and the manager's support, is bullying.

Here's a good test: turn it around and have Hicks badger Norris every time he sees an opportunity in order "to make Norris a better player." Then you can decide whether the behavior is abusive or truly designed to help the team. My guess is it would result in Norris with his hands around Hicks' neck.

I'm not in favor of bullying, but mercilessly reminding him to be on time to meetings doesn't seem like bullying, to me. It's the Cardinals, so fuck all of them, but if a rookie has a habit of being late, and you're telling him "ROOK GET YOUR ASS HERE ON TIME", I'm OK with it, even if Hicks isn't.

Shore wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:

Slowhand wrote:Then again, if this is considered bullying now, I just don't know anymore.

Well, yeah, singling someone out for abuse, and continuing to do it when they said they'd rather you not, and being able to do it because you're in a position of authority by virtue of your age and the manager's support, is bullying.

Here's a good test: turn it around and have Hicks badger Norris every time he sees an opportunity in order "to make Norris a better player." Then you can decide whether the behavior is abusive or truly designed to help the team. My guess is it would result in Norris with his hands around Hicks' neck.

I'm not in favor of bullying, but mercilessly reminding him to be on time to meetings doesn't seem like bullying, to me. It's the Cardinals, so fuck all of them, but if a rookie has a habit of being late, and you're telling him "ROOK GET YOUR ASS HERE ON TIME", I'm OK with it, even if Hicks isn't.

We don't know that that's the situation, and in fact that's not the feeling I get from the description. If there's a problem and that's how they want to address the problem, sure. If you're just picking out this one guy whose behavior is not necessarily any different than anyone else's, or even your own, for reasons that are unclear even to the guy to whom it's directed, then that's just being an asshole. I mean, I coach, and sometimes there are guys that need a kick in the butt and your veterans or captains can be the ones who deliver it. but you'd better be in control of it, and you'd better be sure everyone's motives are correct and in line or it quickly becomes destructive instead of constructive.

swishnicholson wrote:

Shore wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:

Slowhand wrote:Then again, if this is considered bullying now, I just don't know anymore.

Well, yeah, singling someone out for abuse, and continuing to do it when they said they'd rather you not, and being able to do it because you're in a position of authority by virtue of your age and the manager's support, is bullying.

Here's a good test: turn it around and have Hicks badger Norris every time he sees an opportunity in order "to make Norris a better player." Then you can decide whether the behavior is abusive or truly designed to help the team. My guess is it would result in Norris with his hands around Hicks' neck.

I'm not in favor of bullying, but mercilessly reminding him to be on time to meetings doesn't seem like bullying, to me. It's the Cardinals, so fuck all of them, but if a rookie has a habit of being late, and you're telling him "ROOK GET YOUR ASS HERE ON TIME", I'm OK with it, even if Hicks isn't.

We don't know that that's the situation, and in fact that's not the feeling I get from the description. If there's a problem and that's how they want to address the problem, sure. If you're just picking out this one guy whose behavior is not necessarily any different than anyone else's, or even your own, for reasons that are unclear even to the guy to whom it's directed, then that's just being an asshole. I mean, I coach, and sometimes there are guys that need a kick in the butt and your veterans or captains can be the ones who deliver it. but you'd better be in control of it, and you'd better be sure everyone's motives are correct and in line or it quickly becomes destructive instead of constructive.

I have no inside knowledge at all, and am only reacting to the link in the post, which states "The 33-year-old Norris has been mercilessly riding 21-year old rookie Jordan Hicks since spring training, reminding him to be at meetings on time and publicly calling him out when he is lagging in any of the details a visitor might not notice, but other players do."

Shore wrote:
I have no inside knowledge at all, and am only reacting to the link in the post, which states "The 33-year-old Norris has been mercilessly riding 21-year old rookie Jordan Hicks since spring training, reminding him to be at meetings on time and publicly calling him out when he is lagging in any of the details a visitor might not notice, but other players do."

Me either. To me that says he's been "mercilessly riding" him, and doesn't say that Norris has similarly been reminding other players when they "lag in any details." Could be all to the good, but sounds more like a hostile work environment to me. I can see how interpretations could vary, though, as well as what people find acceptable in an athletic setting.

Slowhand wrote:Then again, if this is considered bullying now, I just don't know anymore.

I think it is. If it's not, at the very least it's one person intentionally harassing another because they can.

By the way, this is what Bud Norris said about the game (a couple of years ago):



I mean, this guy isn't someone I would let "ride" any minority players in my clubhouse.

How did Kate Upton get pregnant?

Fuck that guy.

Re: Norris but also works for Kate.

he also ripped singleton for accepting that astros deal.

singleton just got high af and laughed at him.

I do know this: There's no crying in baseball.

My movie critic friend told me that.

Following the Machado trade, Duquette says the Orioles will be more active in the international market moving forward, also wanna be more analytical. Sounds a lot like us 5 years ago

BigEd76 wrote:Following the Machado trade, Duquette says the Orioles will be more active in the international market moving forward, also wanna be more analytical. Sounds a lot like us 5 years ago

Well, they certainly have the right guy to lead them forward in Buck Showalter.

Manfred calling out the best player of the generation for not wanting to be more marketable is certainly a thing that happened.

PSUsarge wrote:Manfred calling out the best player of the generation for not wanting to be more marketable is certainly a thing that happened.

He's a moran. Liked him at first but anyone would seem better than Selig.