Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Werthless » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:28:56

TenuredVulture wrote:
pacino wrote:consumer confidence is up because old people feel great again. people under 35 ain't buying tickets for the #MAGA train. essentially, they're excited a republican is coming back.
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Ironically one potential result of protectionism+increasing deficits is inflation which screws the old people and might make various loan payments more bearable for the young assuming if they have fixed interest rates.

Low, but increasing, inflation helps all debt holders, yes. Homeowners, too, tend to be protected by some inflation. So it's not young folks who disproportionately benefit (not that you said that, but I'm adding on to your comment).

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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Bucky » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:43:15

It's easy to explain.

You get a thirty year mortgage today. Say your Principal & Interest portion of the payment is $1000. That is a Very Large chunk of your monthly income today.

In ten years, due to inflation (i.e. devaluation of the dollar), your current income has increased substantially, but you're still paying that same $1000. Now it's much less of a chunk of your income.

In TWENTY FIVE year, your $1000 mortgage payment seems like a pittance, probably what folks are paying for a car loan then-adays.

edit: Oh, and add to that the appreciation of your home's value. So you paid $100K for a home that's now worth $300K. Profit!!!

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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Bucky » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:44:43

/cue Paul saying why renting is better

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:52:51

the ACA seems to be helping people by letting people go to the doctor more. why? people are going to the doctor more often now because they have coverage. because of course they are.

dental care hasn't budged. the ACA didn't really do much to target it, so no change. we could've had status quo for everything, I guess!

Kentucky—the state with the largest improvement in adult uninsured rates—experienced the greatest improvement of any state in this measure (19% in 2013 vs. 12% in 2015). Arkansas and Oregon, also among the states with the greatest gains in insurance coverage, had the second-greatest improvements (5 percentage points each).

Looking only at states’ low-income adult populations over the two-year period, there was at least a 2-percentage-point decline in the share of people who went without care because of costs in 37 states, including double-digit declines (10 to 14 points) in Kentucky, New Hampshire, Oregon, Washington, and West Virginia. These states all expanded Medicaid by January 2015.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:38:28

Bucky wrote:/cue Paul saying why renting is better

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Usually it's not, of course, but sometimes it is. You've got to do the math to figure it out, and also figure out if you're looking at a property bubble and consider your specific circumstances.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Youseff » Wed Dec 28, 2016 14:00:04

white genocide is the big concern of the Brantt corners of the internet.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Brantt » Wed Dec 28, 2016 15:19:29

Youseff wrote:white genocide is the big concern of the Brantt corners of the internet.


My corner of the internet would basically be here and some Penn State boards. So there's that.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Brantt » Wed Dec 28, 2016 16:11:47

No comments today on the complete betrayal of Israel?

Kerry's pro-Palestinian speech today was just the icing on the cake. And these idiots are worried about the way Trump talks about our allies?

January 20th can't get here soon enough.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 28, 2016 16:15:32

seemed like a good speech backed by facts about the situation. building settlements puts the two-state solution in jeopardy. we are supposedly for the two-state solution, so we should be against things that will kill it.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Dec 28, 2016 16:17:13

A majority of Israelis back the two-state solution, so their idea of betrayal might well be a failure to stop, or at least slow new settlements in disputed territory.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Bucky » Wed Dec 28, 2016 16:17:34

cmon Pac PALESTINIANS IS MUSLIMS so we must trounce them every chance we get

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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 28, 2016 16:19:00

Netanyahu is using the settlements as a way to try galvanize his political base to keep power, and is using this non-vote to distract from his probable corruption (i posted a link earlier this morning up thread).
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 28, 2016 16:28:38

an excerpt:
Let me say it again: There is absolutely no justification for terrorism, and there never will be. The most recent wave of Palestinian violence has included hundreds of terrorist attacks in the past year, including stabbings, shootings, vehicular attacks and bombings, many by individuals who have been radicalized by social media. Yet the murderers of innocents are still glorified on Fatah web sites, including showing attackers next to Palestinian leaders following attacks. And despite statements by President Abbas and his party’s leaders making clear their opposition to violence, too often they send a different message by failing to condemn specific terrorist attacks and naming public squares, streets and schools after terrorists. President Obama and I have made clear to the Palestinian leadership countless times, publicly and privately, that all incitement to violence must stop. We have consistently condemned violence and terrorism – and even condemned the Palestinian leadership for not condemning it. Far too often, the Palestinians have pursued efforts to delegitimize Israel in international fora. We have strongly opposed these initiatives, including the recent wholly unbalanced and inflammatory UNESCO resolution regarding Jerusalem. And we have made clear our strong opposition to Palestinian efforts against Israel at the ICC, which only set back the prospects for peace. And we all understand that the Palestinian Authority also has more to do to strengthen institutions and improve governance.

Most troubling of all, Hamas continues to pursue an extremist agenda: they refuse to accept Israel’s very right to exist. They have a one state vision of their own: all of the land is Palestine. Hamas and other radical factions are responsible for most explicit forms of incitement to violence, and many of the images they use are truly appalling. And they are willing to kill innocents in Israel and put the people of Gaza at risk in order to advance that agenda. Compounding this, the humanitarian situation in Gaza, exacerbated by the closures of the crossings, is dire. Gaza is home to one of the world’s densest concentrations of people enduring extreme hardships with few opportunities.1.3 million people out of Gaza’s population of 1.8 million are in need of daily assistance, including food and shelter, most have electricity less than half the time, and only 5 percent of the water is safe to drink. And yet despite the urgency of these needs, Hamas and other militant groups continue to re-arm and divert reconstruction materials to build tunnels, threatening more attacks on Israeli civilians that no government can tolerate. At the same time, we must be clear about what is happening in the West Bank.

Look at Kerry, just kissing up the Palestinians! what a cuck!
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Dec 28, 2016 16:33:04

In thinking of Israel it's generally a good idea to remember that Netanyahu's views do not always express the views of a majority of Israeli's any more than Trump's views represent those of a majority of Americans.

I don't know what the resolution of this issue will be any more than anyone else. But, if I were an Israeli concerned about my safety and security, I'd be inclined to think I'm safer if the Arabs believe a two-state solution is possible than if they believe it's a diplomatic impossibility.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 28, 2016 16:34:22

Abbas is willing to resume peace talks if the settlements stop.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby 06hawkalum » Wed Dec 28, 2016 16:41:08

Brantt wrote:No comments today on the complete betrayal of Israel?

Kerry's pro-Palestinian speech today was just the icing on the cake. And these idiots are worried about the way Trump talks about our allies?

January 20th can't get here soon enough.


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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Dec 28, 2016 16:52:06

While the Israeli government has the power (if not necessarily the full support of its citizens) to agree to and implement a two-state solution, Abbas does not have the power to ensure attacks on Israel will stop. The inability of any Arab leader (or leaders) to deliver their end of any grand bargain with Israel has always been the single biggest obstacle to any such agreement.

Let's not forget that Israel was formed as a result of such a deal at the United Nations in 1948 but the Arabs ignored it and attacked Israel the next day. It's all well and good to say a solution lies in rolling back the borders to pre-1967 boundaries but if there's one thing the last 68 years have shown it's that there's no reason to believe the Arabs would be satisfied with and guarantee the peace and security of Israel even should the Israelis agree.

Under the circumstances and given the history of Israel it would seem it's incumbent upon the Arabs to take all necessary steps to convince Israel and the world that they will accept and honor the existence of the State of Israel before asking the Israelis to make concessions.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby The Savior » Wed Dec 28, 2016 17:04:39

Brantt wrote:No comments today on the complete betrayal of Israel?

Kerry's pro-Palestinian speech today was just the icing on the cake. And these idiots are worried about the way Trump talks about our allies?

January 20th can't get here soon enough.


Would you rather Kerry say really nice things to Israel and not provide ~$4 billion/year in aid (extended, in effect, the same 10-year deal Bush II started)?

Actions speak louder than words. Israel gets a significant amount of financial support from the US while its adversaries get next to nothing (the Iran deal aside; I am personally not a fan of how that unfolded).
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Brantt » Wed Dec 28, 2016 17:11:25

06hawkalum wrote:
Brantt wrote:No comments today on the complete betrayal of Israel?

Kerry's pro-Palestinian speech today was just the icing on the cake. And these idiots are worried about the way Trump talks about our allies?

January 20th can't get here soon enough.


Go back under your bridge snowflake.



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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Brantt » Wed Dec 28, 2016 17:13:22

The Savior wrote:
Brantt wrote:No comments today on the complete betrayal of Israel?

Kerry's pro-Palestinian speech today was just the icing on the cake. And these idiots are worried about the way Trump talks about our allies?

January 20th can't get here soon enough.


Would you rather Kerry say really nice things to Israel and not provide ~$4 billion/year in aid (extended, in effect, the same 10-year deal Bush II started)?

Actions speak louder than words. Israel gets a significant amount of financial support from the US while its adversaries get next to nothing (the Iran deal aside; I am personally not a fan of how that unfolded).


I'd rather Kerry say nothing (ever again) and the United States veto the anti-Israel resolutions.

Why go out of the way to stir this up?
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