The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Mon Nov 14, 2016 13:52:33

I keep hearing how the strong institutions in the US will prevent Trump from being an authoritarian. I'm not buying it. Trump will do whatever he wants. Who will stop him?

My fear is a police state.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Mon Nov 14, 2016 13:59:25

This is so disturbing, I put it in spoiler tags.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Mon Nov 14, 2016 14:05:50



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"Older" (no real scale what that means) men were all over it, while women were overwhelmingly interested in Halloween and Ranch Dressing. This explains plenty.

Old men were also interested in Megyn Kelly (funny that she lists as entertainment, not a person), George Soroes, and Fox News.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Mon Nov 14, 2016 14:07:03

Politico thinks that Breitbart will become the closest thing we have to a state-run media.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Nov 14, 2016 14:14:26

Doll Is Mine wrote:I keep hearing how the strong institutions in the US will prevent Trump from being an authoritarian. I'm not buying it. Trump will do whatever he wants. Who will stop him?

My fear is a police state.


This echoes my fear stated a couple of times previously here: Sometime not very long after the inauguration -- and after a new, conservative Supreme Court justice has been added -- there will be a terrorist incident. Trump will use that incident to declare martial law and suspend civil liberties. The only institutions who could challenge that declaration are Congress and the Supreme Court. Those Republican institutions will acquiesce to Trump. Any protests, whether from the press or the people will be put down, by force if necessary. Enemies of Trump, Bannon, etc., will be enemies of the state. After that, any horrific scenario you can imagine will be possible.

Impossible?

Donald Trump has been elected President of the United States and his chief strategist is the executive chairman of Breitbart News. Both are known for using any and all means at their disposal to punish perceived enemies. Will they be circumspect in the use of their new powers? We literally can only hope.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Mon Nov 14, 2016 14:21:37

Yeah, I'm with you. A divided country is beneficial to Trump's and Bannon's agenda.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Mon Nov 14, 2016 14:23:09

“I’m a Leninist,” Bannon proudly proclaimed.

Shocked, I asked him what he meant.

“Lenin,” he answered, “wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.” Bannon was employing Lenin’s strategy for Tea Party populist goals. He included in that group the Republican and Democratic Parties, as well as the traditional conservative press.


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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Mon Nov 14, 2016 14:31:58

I may be wrong but didn't Lenin hate capitalism?

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Mon Nov 14, 2016 14:33:30

Doll Is Mine wrote:I may be wrong but didn't Lenin hate capitalism?


"Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world."

oh wait, wrong Lennon
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Mon Nov 14, 2016 15:09:24

JFLNYC wrote:This echoes my fear stated a couple of times previously here: Sometime not very long after the inauguration -- and after a new, conservative Supreme Court justice has been added -- there will be a terrorist incident. Trump will use that incident to declare martial law and suspend civil liberties. The only institutions who could challenge that declaration are Congress and the Supreme Court. Those Republican institutions will acquiesce to Trump. Any protests, whether from the press or the people will be put down, by force if necessary. Enemies of Trump, Bannon, etc., will be enemies of the state. After that, any horrific scenario you can imagine will be possible.


Hmmm.


Much as I might like to apply its literal analog to portions of drumpf's anatomy, Occam's razor suggests your fears rely on a complex chain of assumptions for which there's not a lot of support.

Just spitballing here, but I'm not so sure sufficient military heft is fully on board with dumbass's shitshow to make such a takeover possible
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Nov 14, 2016 15:16:23

Speaking of hypocrisy, I know it's fun to make fun of Trump for saying same sex marriage is settled law, but abortion rights are not; however, I fear that it might just push Trump into saying "fuck it" and pushing for the overturn of both.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby td11 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 15:18:36

mainstream republicans seem completely unperturbed that their party has been taken over by breitbart and the alt-right
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby td11 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 15:19:06

slugsrbad wrote:Speaking of hypocrisy, I know it's fun to make fun of Trump for saying same sex marriage is settled law, but abortion rights are not; however, I fear that it might just push Trump into saying "fuck it" and pushing for the overturn of both.

they have more or less stated that going after roe v wade is one of their goals
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Mon Nov 14, 2016 15:20:11

td11 wrote:mainstream republicans seem completely unperturbed that their party has been taken over by breitbart and the alt-right

they get to end medicare and the ACA and enact taxcuts. they don't care.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Soren » Mon Nov 14, 2016 15:20:59

td11 wrote:mainstream republicans seem completely unperturbed that their party has been taken over by breitbart and the alt-right


You're assuming the "take over" doesn't reflect the mainstream of the GOP
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Nov 14, 2016 15:25:30

td11 wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:Speaking of hypocrisy, I know it's fun to make fun of Trump for saying same sex marriage is settled law, but abortion rights are not; however, I fear that it might just push Trump into saying "fuck it" and pushing for the overturn of both.

they have more or less stated that going after roe v wade is one of their goals


I know. I am just seeing a lot on social media poking fun of Trump saying that same-sex is settled so that fight is over in his opinion, but that he is a hypocrite for going after Roe v. Wade. If there's one thing we know about Trump is that he is petty. If you poke him enough about this hypocrisy I fear he might agree and then try and overturn both.

Trump, to his credit, seems to be more open on some social issues than normal conservatives, but that's not giving him much credit at all.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby td11 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 15:26:01

Soren wrote:
td11 wrote:mainstream republicans seem completely unperturbed that their party has been taken over by breitbart and the alt-right


You're assuming the "take over" doesn't reflect the mainstream of the GOP


good point. i would say that I (and likely pac, youseff, yourself) would agree that this is the case-- that white nationalism is now the GOP's brand and main selling point. i think a lot of republicans still have not come to terms with that, and even now, after the GOP base elected Donald fucking Trump to be president, there are absolutely no republicans who are coming out and denouncing it
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Youseff » Mon Nov 14, 2016 15:37:23

Peter Brimelow, who runs the white nationalist site VDARE, praised Bannon's hiring, saying it gives Trump a connection to the alt-right movement online.

"I think it's amazing," Brimelow said of Trump's decision to tap Bannon. "Can you imagine Mitt Romney doing this? It's almost like Trump cares about ideas! Especially amazing because I would bet Trump doesn't read online. Few plutocrats do, they have efficient secretaries."
Brimelow added his site would continue to focus solely on their hardline position on immigration, saying he expects American whites to vote their interests similar to other minority groups.

"To the extent that the 'alt-right' articulates that interest, it will continue to grow," Brimelow said.

Brad Griffin, a blogger who runs the white nationalist website Occidental Dissent using the pseudonym "Hunter Wallace," said he thought Bannon's hiring showed Trump would be held to his campaign promises.

"It makes sense to me," he said. "Reince [Priebus] can certainly get more done on Capitol Hill. He will be an instrument of Trump's will, not the other way around. Bannon is better suited as chief strategist and looking at the big picture. I think he will hold Trump to the promises he has already made during the campaign. We endorse many of those promises like building the wall, deportations, ending refugee resettlement, preserving the Second Amendment, etc. There's a lot of stuff in there on which almost everyone on the right agrees."

Griffin added, "We're most excited though about the foreign policy implications of Bannon in the White House. We want to see our counterparts in Europe — starting in Austria and France — win their upcoming elections. We're hearing reports that Breitbart is expanding its operations in continental Europe and that is where our focus will be in 2017."

Jared Taylor, who runs the site American Renaissance, echoed those comments, saying Bannon would help hold Trump to his campaign rhetoric.

"There has been some waffling on some of candidate Trump's signature positions: build the wall, deport illegals, end birth-right citizenship, take a hard look at Muslim immigrants, etc," he said. "I suspect one of Steve Bannon's important functions will be as an anti-waffler, who will encourage President Trump to keep his campaign promises."

Chairman of the American Nazi Party, Rocky J. Suhayda, who wrote a post after Trump's election night victory celebrating it as a call to action, said he was surprised at the pick of Bannon, but said it showed him Trump could follow through on his campaign promises.
"I must admit that I was a wee bit surprised that Mr. Trump finally chose Mr. Bannon, I thought that his stable of Washington insiders would have objected too vociferously," Suhayda wrote in an email. "Perhaps The Donald IS for 'REAL' and is not going to be another controlled puppet directed by the usual 'Wire Pullers,' and does indeed intend to ROCK the BOAT? Time will tell."

Richard B. Spencer, the president of the white nationalist National Policy Institute, wrote a series of tweets on Sunday evening saying Bannon had the best position as chief strategist, allowing him to not get lost in the weeds and could help Trump focus on the big picture of setting up his agenda.

"Steve Bannon might even push Trump in the right direction. So that would be a wonderful thing," he told CNN on Sunday before the announcement, adding that he hopes to push Trump in an increasingly radical direction."

Matt Parrott, a spokesman for the Traditionalist Worker Party, said Bannon was a "civic nationalist" — someone who sees an American identity not based on race.

"Steve Bannon has never been a white nationalist and it's kind of tiresome how the important distinction, everyone needs to learn them now that they're relevant. There's an important distinction between a civic nationalist and a white nationalist," Parrott to CNN. "Steve Bannon's entire career, and if you look at Breitbart, like, he's accusing the other side of racism. That's something that wouldn't happen out of an actual white nationalist of course because we don't see being for your race as a negative thing. Yeah, Steve Bannon's a civic nationalist and that's much better than what was in Washington before. We're hopeful about the whole thing."

Parrot added, "We in the alt-right are going to be just as vicious in trolling and attacking the Republican Congress as they try to obstruct Trump's reforms as we were against the left."
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Nov 14, 2016 15:38:27

drsmooth wrote:Just spitballing here, but I'm not so sure sufficient military heft is fully on board with dumbass's shitshow to make such a takeover possible


Doc, you know I respect your views, but on this one I disagree.

There might well be individual objectors but there is little doubt in my mind that, were Trump to declare martial law after a terrorist attack, the overwhelming majority (if not all) of the military's leaders would fall in line with their Commander in Chief. Looking at it from the other side, it's almost inconceivable to me that the military would defy the orders of its Commander in Chief.

Again that's not to say there wouldn't be objections, but the center of gravity of the military would support the Commander in Chief. Over time concerns within the military might well grow but, by that time, many dissenters will have been weeded out, further dissent suppressed and inertia would weigh heavily against meaningful opposition. And, in any event, asking the military to be the check against a President's abuse of power would mean that all other democratic institutions have failed. If our only hope is a military coup, that's scary in its own right.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Mon Nov 14, 2016 15:41:18

For whatever reason, Trump doesn't want to go after the gays like he does other groups. I wonder why that is. Peter Thiel might be one reason.

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