Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Oct 12, 2016 14:22:23

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:

really interesting read

In a real departure between public and private polling, they're talking in there about limiting people to being upweighted by 5x or 10x. I don't think we've had any polling where anyone would be weighed more than 2-3x. Targets are usually set before calling on age/race/gender/party, people get terminated past a certain point, and often you know these things about them before you call so you can target sample accordingly.


are campaign internal polls supposed to have better science? I keep seeing statements similar to "his/her internal polling must be showing a closer race in OH than the polls indicate"
in the media every now and then

Campaign polls are usually better than even the best public polls because they spend more money to know who they're calling and can do a lot more with the data. And so much of public polling isn't done well even taking into account their limitations.

Upshot has done good stuff looking at voter list surveys, their differences to normal public polling, and how even with very well done data gathering, there's a lot of art left on the decision maker side in addition to the science.

Introducing the NYT Upshot-Siena College Poll

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Oct 12, 2016 14:23:17

CalvinBall wrote:campaign should send kaine or sanders, hell anyone, to alaska just for s&g. feel like that would play on the cable news channels. create a narrative that HRC is deeply on the offensive.



I like this.

And Alaskans probably don't get many visits from either party, so showing up might actually make more of a difference than some other places. If we're lucky, it will get Trump talking about something insane and it might bring Palin out of the woodwork, which would also be good for dems. Time to tie some of this stuff together. Trump isn't an abomination out of nowhere. The GOP has been on a ride to the bottom for a while now and Palin is the living embodiment of that fact.
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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby JUburton » Wed Oct 12, 2016 14:29:04

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JUburton wrote:People who have phone banked before...what can I expect when I show at the office? A list of numbers and a specific script for each 'type' of voter or something? Though I guess they'd be smart to give one person each of the same type of script so you get better at it...

I assume I have to use my own phone too? Guess I'll bring headphones assuming it'll get pretty loud in there.

before i wasn't allowed to do this sort of thing, we used to phone bank on lines IN the place; now you'll certainly be able to use your mobile but they should have lines there too. yes, you'll be given a script that's supposed to be tailored for the type of voter you'll be calling and also with some answers for questions they may have. usually they say who they are targeting that day and you'll be able to get used to it. the first few may be rough but it's no big deal. people that are open to answering are usually fine with you stumbling. the meanies weren't going to be swayed anyway.
thanks. i am not a big phone talker so this won't be ideal but i'm sure after a few it'll be fine. figure i'm not cold calling republicans but really targeting middle to moderate likelihood democrat voters so it wont be so bad.

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby jamiethekiller » Wed Oct 12, 2016 14:29:31

send Gore up there to talk about climate change

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Oct 12, 2016 14:30:39

jamiethekiller wrote:send Gore up there to talk about climate change



yah. sounds good to me. is that something alaskans care about? believe in?


any famous mormon dems that they can drop in utah?

i want trump to be humiliated so much

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby JUburton » Wed Oct 12, 2016 14:35:17

CalvinBall wrote:
jamiethekiller wrote:send Gore up there to talk about climate change



yah. sounds good to me. is that something alaskans care about? believe in?


any famous mormon dems that they can drop in utah?

i want trump to be humiliated so much
don't they all get an annual check from the state for the state's oil sales? that might temper their fear about climate change.

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Oct 12, 2016 14:39:17

So protesters outside Trump rallies are playing the audio from the 2005 tape as his supporters pass by. :lol:

Katy Tur ‏@KatyTurNBC
Female Supporter: "Who hasn't said that?"
Me: Have you?
Her: "No. Don't be stupid."

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 14:41:03

Doll Is Mine wrote:
MULawPoll ‏@MULawPoll
Among white LVs without college degrees in WI:
Thu: Trump 48%, Clinton 33%
Fri: Trump 41%, Clinton 38%
Sat+Sun: Clinton 42%, Trump 35%


Q: In light of things like this, if the Clinton campaign was responsible for this leak - and there is every indication that they were - why release it so "far" from the election, when its effects are likely to erode/regress to the mean, with this much time left before November 8th?

A (I hope): There is more. Shockingly more.
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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby td11 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 14:46:38

@pescami
On @cspan @DrJillStein says under Hillary we could "easily" slip into nuclear war. Says nuclear war more likely under Clinton than Trump.

Sigh
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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Oct 12, 2016 14:47:01

MULawPoll ‏@MULawPoll
New Marquette Law School Poll, Wisconsin likely voters:
Clinton 44%
Trump 37%
Johnson 9%
Stein 3%
#MULawPoll


I'm curious to see a new Georgia poll.

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby Bucky » Wed Oct 12, 2016 15:15:48

CalvinBall wrote:
jamiethekiller wrote:send Gore up there to talk about climate change



yah. sounds good to me. is that something alaskans care about? believe in?


any famous mormon dems that they can drop in utah?

i want trump to be humiliated so much



I would thing that alaskans would be in FAVOR of global warming

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby pacino » Wed Oct 12, 2016 15:34:20

td11 wrote:@pescami
On @cspan @DrJillStein says under Hillary we could "easily" slip into nuclear war. Says nuclear war more likely under Clinton than Trump.

Sigh

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby Grotewold » Wed Oct 12, 2016 15:38:22

Bucky wrote:I would thing that alaskans would be in FAVOR of global warming


along with mitt's "binders full of women"

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Oct 12, 2016 15:38:35

Bucky wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:
jamiethekiller wrote:send Gore up there to talk about climate change



yah. sounds good to me. is that something alaskans care about? believe in?


any famous mormon dems that they can drop in utah?

i want trump to be humiliated so much



I would thing that alaskans would be in FAVOR of global warming



The Aleutian islands are disappearing into the ocean, but I don't think average white Alaskans care too much. It's more of a native american problem. Maybe the legalization of pot there will bring the hippies north, but not in time for this election.
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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby PSUPhilliesPhan » Wed Oct 12, 2016 15:40:06

Doll Is Mine wrote:Giuliani now.

Image

Then.

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In fairness there's no evidence he was actually looking at her.

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Oct 12, 2016 15:45:54

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:Giuliani now.

Image

Then.

Image


In fairness there's no evidence he was actually looking at her.

With the mask on, plus her short hair and pants, he probably thought she was a dude, amirite?

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Oct 12, 2016 15:46:59

mozartpc27 wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
MULawPoll ‏@MULawPoll
Among white LVs without college degrees in WI:
Thu: Trump 48%, Clinton 33%
Fri: Trump 41%, Clinton 38%
Sat+Sun: Clinton 42%, Trump 35%


Q: In light of things like this, if the Clinton campaign was responsible for this leak - and there is every indication that they were - why release it so "far" from the election, when its effects are likely to erode/regress to the mean, with this much time left before November 8th?

A (I hope): There is more. Shockingly more.

Trump made a few statements this week that seemed to be preemptive damage control for future stories. I still think we see the rumored stuff from The Apprentice before the end of the month.

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Oct 12, 2016 15:49:29

I suspect the Apprentice tape where he says the n-word will be the end of him for good.

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Oct 12, 2016 15:50:46

Alan Rappeport @arappeport
Trump on standing too close to Clinton at debate: "Believe me, the last space that I want to invade is her space."

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Re: Grabbing POLITICS by the sissy

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Oct 12, 2016 15:56:44

I added the spoiler tags just in case you're at work and someone is behind you.

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