slugsrbad wrote:

SK790 wrote:just normal transgressions like the party colluding to help her win the primary, calling black people super predators(which Bill is still moronically defending, and being accused of trying to destroy the lives of people who accused bill of sexual assault.

you know, the usual.

Do I really need to dig up quotes from the mid 90s, 2000s, and today of politicians using terms like thug to try and sell prison as punitive and not rehabilitation? It's unfortunately, but not unusual. Your second point, I'll admit ignorance on, but the only mention of "destroy" I see is destroying a story, not a life. There's also a blackmail accusation which is also troubling, and also not uniquely Hillary.

Perhaps I'm unclear, I'm not trying to say that none of this should concern people, and it's appropriate if this disqualifies her in your opinion, but she's not the first politician to have these shadows, nor will she probably be the last. She does, however, seem to have a disproportionate amount of distrust and dislike as compared to a typical shitty politician.

Also, I want to make clear that I'm not trying to imply that you're a hypocrite, or unfairly focusing on Hillary Clinton. I know that you would share the same feelings for any politician who has these issues surrounding him/her.

ashton wrote:Because Mississippi and Louisiana have such large black and Hispanic (mostly black) populations, Clinton could win either state if the following happen:

1. Minorities vote at the same rate as whites
2. Blacks/Hispanics overwhelmingly support Hillary
3. She gets 30% of the vote of white women
4. She get 10% of the vote of white men

JH, do you know of any recent polls that break down the vote in those two states? Are they competitive? If not, in which of those four benchmarks is she falling short?

Daniel Dale ‏@ddale8
Trump says real wages were higher "18 years ago" than today. Under...Bill Clinton.

SK790 wrote:it seems like none of this concerns a lot of hillary supporters. look at this thread, you have 3 or 4 different posters commenting excusing the things i posted.

SK790 wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

SK790 wrote:just normal transgressions like the party colluding to help her win the primary, calling black people super predators(which Bill is still moronically defending, and being accused of trying to destroy the lives of people who accused bill of sexual assault.

you know, the usual.

Do I really need to dig up quotes from the mid 90s, 2000s, and today of politicians using terms like thug to try and sell prison as punitive and not rehabilitation? It's unfortunately, but not unusual. Your second point, I'll admit ignorance on, but the only mention of "destroy" I see is destroying a story, not a life. There's also a blackmail accusation which is also troubling, and also not uniquely Hillary.

Perhaps I'm unclear, I'm not trying to say that none of this should concern people, and it's appropriate if this disqualifies her in your opinion, but she's not the first politician to have these shadows, nor will she probably be the last. She does, however, seem to have a disproportionate amount of distrust and dislike as compared to a typical #$!&@ politician.

Also, I want to make clear that I'm not trying to imply that you're a hypocrite, or unfairly focusing on Hillary Clinton. I know that you would share the same feelings for any politician who has these issues surrounding him/her.

it seems like none of this concerns a lot of hillary supporters. look at this thread, you have 3 or 4 different posters commenting excusing the things i posted.

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:

Woody wrote:All of the above.

It's b/c she's a woman
It's b/c her voice
It's b/c her looks
It's b/c her mannerisms
It's b/c she's been in the limelight for so long

She also happens to be running at a time in which her opponent (Bernie, not Trump) built a platform on (perceived) anti-establishment and honesty and decency. So when combined with all the above, in comparison it makes her look worse

Ever since being FLOTUS and trying to get health care passed, the GOP has gone after her with such vitriol. We're talking 23 years of almost constant accusations and name calling and such. That will affect public perception on anyone. Granted she isn't great at being forthright and apologetic when she does gaffe or fuck up (she's very defensive) but she's no where near the lying criminal monster that she's painted to be

SK790 wrote:that is all beside the point.

i'm saying i posted a bunch of stuff about how hillary has been gross and it was met with a bunch of excuses, so it seems like people aren't that concerned. if they were concerned, they would just agree and that would be that.

i get that clinton supporters are naturally over-defensive because their girl gets the most bullshit criticisms from the right, but "well, she admitted she was wrong" and "other politicians were doing it" are bullshit excuses.

Bucky wrote:because hitler!

SK790 wrote:that is all beside the point.

i'm saying i posted a bunch of stuff about how hillary has been gross and it was met with a bunch of excuses, so it seems like people aren't that concerned. if they were concerned, they would just agree and that would be that.

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