Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:54:34

JUburton wrote:So less than 1% of emails on the servers were classified and none had a big classified header. And some may have had classified info in a forward, but the information in the primary email sent wasn't classified...though there may have been a little (C) somewhere.

Lock her up!

(still, the server was a stupid idea borne of convenience and laziness)

Eh, Greenwald had a very valid point the other day. The average drone federal employee absolutely would've been sanctioned for routing classified info through their Gmail account, knowingly or otherwise. But how do you administratively sanction a person who is not currently employed by the federal government and is running for President?

It's hard for me to get too upset over people being annoyed by the lack of a prosecution. (Which is totally different than Paul Ryan's investigation of FBI/Comey or the GOP's general foaming-at-the-mouth reaction.)

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby JUburton » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:57:10

Sure, administratively sanctioned. But the person with the greatest likelihood of becoming the next POTUS probably isn't going to have her security clearance revoked. And there is no problem with that whatsoever.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Bucky » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:57:16

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drsmooth wrote:
Woody wrote:would this have any shot at actually being a thing?


seems like others would have to go along with it. Like, y'know, the state governments where the schools are. The proposal may incorporate some kind of carrot to entice states to buy in - maybe someone can check on that

It'd just be an enhanced federal aid/grant program. The states wouldn't have to buy in at all.

Nevermind that a family making $130K in Northern VA still struggles to afford college for their (average) two kids absent substantial grants and loans. But hey, class warfare!


i would imagine that it would be progressive for those above the threshold and not a hard cutoff.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby smitty » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:59:20

JUburton wrote:So less than 1% of emails on the servers were classified and none had a big classified header. And some may have had classified info in a forward, but the information in the primary email sent wasn't classified...though there may have been a little (C) somewhere.

Lock her up!

(still, the server was a stupid idea borne of convenience and laziness)


I'm not clear on what the eight TS email chains is all about. This whole thing is confusing.

The fact that Comey, a Republican, sees no criminal activity involving Clinton is huge. The investigation was incredible with an "all star " team of 20-30 agents doing three years worth of work in 12 months.

They did find three emails that had a marked paragraph in the body but no header. It also appears the three paragraphs were probably not even worth a confidential (not Secret or Top Secret).
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:00:41

JUburton wrote:Sure, administratively sanctioned. But the person with the greatest likelihood of becoming the next POTUS probably isn't going to have her security clearance revoked. And there is no problem with that whatsoever.

Oh I agree with that. There's no reason to revoke it only to give it back if/when she wins the general election (so she can be briefed by the current administration).

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:00:51

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:It'd just be an enhanced federal aid/grant program. The states wouldn't have to buy in at all.

Nevermind that a family making $130K in Northern VA still struggles to afford college for their (average) two kids absent substantial grants and loans. But hey, class warfare!


That clarifies it a bit. So states just charge what they charge, & fed would provide a grant to offset state charges, presumably adjusted in some way for each state's/each school's charges
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:02:24

drsmooth wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:It'd just be an enhanced federal aid/grant program. The states wouldn't have to buy in at all.

Nevermind that a family making $130K in Northern VA still struggles to afford college for their (average) two kids absent substantial grants and loans. But hey, class warfare!


That clarifies it a bit. So states just charge what they charge, & fed would provide a grant to offset state charges, presumably adjusted in some way for each state's/each school's charges

I don't know that to be a fact of her proposal, but that's always the way these proposals work. It's not as if she's reinventing the wheel.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby pacino » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:06:55

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:This Minnesota police shooting appears to be far worse than the Baton Rouge case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/07/minn-cop-fatally-shoots-man-during-traffic-stop-aftermath-broadcast-on-facebook

“The key thing in order to try to survive being stopped by the police is to comply,” she told CNN. “Whatever they ask you to do, do it. Don’t say nothing. Just do whatever they want you to do. So what’s the difference in complying and you get killed anyway?

“I made sure my kids understood the difference in being law abiding, and that the police were there to help,” she added. “I never once in my life have thought that my son would actually be killed by the persons that are supposed to protect and serve him.”


Reynolds, Castile’s girlfriend, said that in the moments after the shooting, she was trying to stay calm for her 4-year-old daughter who was in the backseat of the car, but it was her daughter who provided comfort at a tragic time.

“My daughter told me stay strong, and that’s what I had to do. My daughter told me, ‘don’t cry,’ and that’s what I had to do. My daughter prayed for me,” Reynolds told reporters Thursday, adding: “She knew that he was gone before I knew, and she said, ‘Mom, the police are bad guys. They killed him and he’s never coming back. He’s never coming back.”

this ended his life and impacts the others for the rest of their lives.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:11:51

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I don't know that to be a fact of her proposal, but that's always the way these proposals work. It's not as if she's reinventing the wheel.


sure wish there were a way to get out of the inclination to attempt to 'educationalize' our way out of the economic conundrum posed by "college education"

A libertarian response might be, I suppose, to provide a grant linked to 'personal improvement activities demonstrably linked to expansion of economic opportinities' or something along that line
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby MoBettle » Thu Jul 07, 2016 13:08:01

drsmooth wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:It'd just be an enhanced federal aid/grant program. The states wouldn't have to buy in at all.

Nevermind that a family making $130K in Northern VA still struggles to afford college for their (average) two kids absent substantial grants and loans. But hey, class warfare!


That clarifies it a bit. So states just charge what they charge, & fed would provide a grant to offset state charges, presumably adjusted in some way for each state's/each school's charges


Is the federal government prepare to continue paying once these schools double what they charge? This seems to give the schools a blank check, with the added bonus that they can charge the nameless government rather than kids.

Any plan that doesn't address the rising costs of college (rather than exclusively shift who is paying) is kind of missing the point imo.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jul 07, 2016 13:18:08

jesus, where do the Rs get some of these rubes? Mark Walker (R-NC) comes on quoting scripture, then floats his pet Benghazi theory; Comey swats him down like a 'skeeter
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jul 07, 2016 13:19:18

MoBettle wrote:Is the federal government prepare to continue paying once these schools double what they charge? This seems to give the schools a blank check, with the added bonus that they can charge the nameless government rather than kids.

Any plan that doesn't address the rising costs of college (rather than exclusively shift who is paying) is kind of missing the point imo.


I'm pretty sure I can't agree more
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jul 07, 2016 13:28:07

wow, Scott Dejarlais (R-TN), congressman from the Martian surface. & I'm not talking about his appearance
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby pacino » Thu Jul 07, 2016 13:30:56

drsmooth wrote:wow, Scott Dejarlais (R-TN), congressman from the Martian surface. & I'm not talking about his appearance

this guy is a piece of work, btw
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Jul 07, 2016 13:37:04

Every time I see Jason Chaffetz' face I want to puke while punching him in the nose.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Jul 07, 2016 13:38:57

Poor Buddy Carter from the farm doesn't understand the law or burden of proof.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jul 07, 2016 13:42:49

Southern R congresspersons are getting curiouser & curiouser. Not sure if Chaffetz scheduled so many of them near the hind end of the hearing because of their hind-endedness, but if so, he's a smidge shrewder than I've given him credit for. Comey's remarkably sanguine in the face of their boobosity
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Jul 07, 2016 13:44:12

"... and you can't fire the President, because we tried!" Rep Mulvaney - SC (R)

The GOP is squandering this opportunity. Why grill the FBI Director when his statement was scathing? Just splice it, put it into ads, and question her integrity/trustworthiness.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Jul 07, 2016 13:49:48

drsmooth wrote:jesus, Gowdy's on now. He's SOOOO bad at this stuff, with his cartoon character deputy voice, greasy hair, and malfoy mug. He's just. plain. awful.


Holy shit, he's an idiot.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jul 07, 2016 13:50:33

I was just talking with a coworker this morning about how I wondered if Sanders would endorse Clinton now that she's not being indicted--my guess is that he'd been holding out in the remote hopes that he'd be able to step in as the only viable option if that happened. (Nevermind that if he merely suspended his campaign, he'd still be able to do that.)

Lo and behold, it comes out today that he's negotiating an endorsement. Shocking.

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