pacino wrote:The reason people dislike 'all lives matter' is it effectively minimizes 'black lives matter' when the issue was about police treatment of black people, NOT all people. That's a separate issue with its own reasons and problems. There is a separate treatment for black compared to 'all' and so highlighting that is the very opposite of saying 'all lives matter'. Of course all lives matter; the question being asked is do black lives matter?

That's up to you and others how to respond to that question, but let's not act like the two questions are the same.

yep, this is along the same lines of the "why is WHITE PRIDE not OK?" movement

Fully understand that's the thought process but don't think we'll ever view it in the same way.

O'Malley, by any measure, is, at the very least, a decent man, upstanding guy. This was extemporaneous speech. He didn't say anything "wrong" but may have phrased it wrong? Or that he didn't dwell enough on his policy approach to resolving racial discord after being interrupted during an early-in-the-campaign speaking engagement? Is that people's umbrage?

For me, It's the rush to condemn and judge someone for the most absolutely venial of commissions? omissions? (really don't know here) that, to borrow a SJW trademarked adjective, is totally gross

Always knew bucky was a gross sjw

i'm a single jewish woman?

but i do declare there were times that I


took some comfort there

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It's not smart politics to boo and harass those who are strong and committed allies for what amounts to at worst a minor verbal slip.

now all of those rally goers have lost all the poltical capital you gain from going to a campaign rally.

Had they politely sat there we'd have never read about their issue and O'Malley would've just gone on to the next political rally for the next group of Democrats that he needs to get behind him. Their disruption seems to have worked far more than it hurt them.

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jerseyhoya wrote:Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders were shouted/booed off the stage today at Netroots Nation. Because unlike the crazy Republican Party, the Democratic Party is a great party and has no crazy people involved with it.

Martin made the unforgivable mistake of asserting that all lives matter. And since the Democratic Pary is such a great party, his innocuous statement was met with widespread revulsion that he later apologized for. Because saying all lives matter is a really bad thing to do.

Bernie doesn't really do the hyper identity politics thing since he's a good socialist and believes it's a class war not a race one, but that's not good enough, obviously. Even with a few appeals tossed in about disparate impact, it couldn't call off the mob.

talk about grasping at straws

fail to see how an isolated incident of protesters with a valid opinion expressed in an unhelpful way has any sort of relation or parallels to an army of Alex Jones listening morons putting Donald Trump in first in polling for the top position in jh's beloved party.

I do think the Left is losing empathy, though.

if you really wanted to point out crazy people in the Democratic Party, you can look no further than the anti-GMO anti-vax Dems. Is says a lot about him that he thinks that when poor, black people get mad when people trivialize the slogan for their cause for police reform/general equality, that it's a crazy, fringe reaction.

It is quite literally a fringe reaction. And I doubt the average #blacklivesmatter activist flying into Phoenix to protest O'Malley and Sanders is super poor.

You bring up the GMO or vaccine things like I haven't brought them up previously. You and I argued about GMO labeling a few months ago beginning here. You were pro-labeling then and yelling about corporations. Have you changed your mind since?

Very good long read from Slate from last week about GMOs - Are GMOs safe?

Labeling the origin of produce is fine to me. We label the origin of every other product we sell. I also don't think a 'silencing effect' would take place.

I'm sure activists are used to being called fringe and would at this point be used to it. That's sort of the point of making themselves heard in the manner the people there did.

jerseyhoya wrote:It is quite literally a fringe reaction. And I doubt the average #blacklivesmatter activist flying into Phoenix to protest O'Malley and Sanders is super poor.

You bring up the GMO or vaccine things like I haven't brought them up previously. You and I argued about GMO labeling a few months ago beginning here. You were pro-labeling then and yelling about corporations. Have you changed your mind since?

Very good long read from Slate from last week about GMOs - Are GMOs safe?

My view was and still is that GMOs are safe to consume, but I'm still a bit skeptical. My point about corporations is that I'd rather have consumers be informed (I.e. labeling GMOs) and that the corporations' bottom line shouldn't influence that(because your main concern that these wonderful corporations would lose sales because their products contained GMOs - this is hilarious coming from someone who loves capitalism so much, btw). But if you want to misconstrue that into yelling about coporations, I'm pretty fine with that given that you think people getting mad over the black lives matter thing is a fringe reaction. Keep fighting the good fight for those multi-billion dollar entities, though. They need all the support they can get.

O'Malley deserved to be booed. His zero tolerance approach to crime in Baltimore greatly exacerbated the situation there with enormous negative impacts on minority communities. Rounding up and locking up non-violent offenders and idiots wonder why the family structure and society breakdown. Oh yeah, and when they get released they can't get meaningful employment because they have a record. Need meaningful criminal justice reform in the worst way.

during the 4th of july, the hosts of the party i went to were bragging that their mission brand tortilla chips were GMO free. they're not bad chips, but they're loaded with gross preservatives and are likely made with overly processed products, nobody who is trying to eat the least bit healthy would eat these chips.

i chugged half a rainier to force those words down as to not get into a dumb argument at a party. i still think those chips should be labeled GMO free because people want to know that information even if they're morons if they buy it solely because of that.

what would the downside to labeling GMOs be? 1/2 hour of extra work for industrial designers?

Roger Dorn wrote:O'Malley deserved to be booed. His zero tolerance approach to crime in Baltimore greatly exacerbated the situation there with enormous negative impacts on minority communities. Rounding up and locking up non-violent offenders and idiots wonder why the family structure and society breakdown. Oh yeah, and when they get released they can't get meaningful employment because they have a record. Need meaningful criminal justice reform in the worst way.

Fivethirtyeight wrote about how this will be difficult: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/rele ... rceration/

Using this interactive tool referenced in the article: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015 ... 50-percent

You can cut 50% if you release all "non-violent crimes" plus 30% of all robberies(which may or may not have involved actual violence). Without letting out the robbery-commiters, you still get rid of 46% of the prison populations, which is pretty damn good, IMO.

for me, it's the validation of the science-ignoring population. acknowledgement breeds credibility.

Youseff wrote:what would the downside to labeling GMOs be? 1/2 hour of extra work for industrial designers?

corporations who use GMO products might see a reduction in sales; the horror.