Woody wrote:the free market will make it happen, it is known

Woody wrote:the free market will make it happen, it is known

pacino wrote:

Woody wrote:the free market will make it happen, it is known

who has the free market dust? let's sprinkle some

Woody wrote:

pacino wrote:

Woody wrote:the free market will make it happen, it is known

who has the free market dust? let's sprinkle some

i put it on my pizza

Soren wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:

Soren wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:

Soren wrote: We're still consuming at a faster rate than the planet can produce though.

That's where every such calculation, beginning with Malthus, goes off track. Technology is not static. If we tried to feed the current world population by farming with ox-drawn plows, it would be a struggle.

Well, yea obviously but that's a hell of a gamble to make don't you think?

Well - every doomsday prediction thus far has been laughably wrong. Kinda makes me skeptical about the current chicken littles.

That doesn't really answer my question though.

Your priors are
1)Doomsday predictions have been and likely will continue to be "laughably wrong."
2) "chicken littles" are worth of skepticism (any scientist would agree up to a point)
3) The rate of invention/innovation is faster than the rate at which we are depleting resources

Are you will to make the bet that we don't need to take action to either reduce consumption or invest heavily in renewable energy sources because we'll figure it out?

TomatoPie wrote:I would argue that increased consumption is more beneficial than attempts to constrain consumption. It drives creativity and wealth, both of which we always need more.

TomatoPie wrote:Heresy, I know. I'm not suggesting we treat any resource wantonly - but nor should we reflexively think that we face a finite supply - because we don't. Matter can neither be destroyed nor created.

TomatoPie wrote:In concept, an investment in renewable energy makes sense. That said, when you examine the utter folly of our tax dollars "invested" in renewable energy sources, you might conclude that we'll sooner get to that fine green place by allowing markets to function. As fossil fuels become scarce or expensive, clever people (motivated by profit) will find the right technology. Government is incompetent to do so.

TomatoPie wrote:And a word about pollution - we have indeed done some terrible things to the earth. Though, without having done so, 99% of us would be living fairly squalid, short, brutish lives. Fossil fuels are God's Greatest Gift. Why do you think he killed all those dinosaurs? To give us a cheap and easy way to better the lives of all his children.

TomatoPie wrote:Environmentalism is a luxury for developed countries. It's a noble aspiration. We had our worst era - Pittsburgh in 1910 was smoggy like Beijing today. China knows that it is ruining the environment - but it can't afford not to. It's not a short-term view, either. It's the cost of moving from a backward nation to a modern one. Talks about restricting carbon emissions are simple feel-good exercises. Yeah, Norway might feel proud and green, but the total emissions won't move in a measurable fashion until China has found a cheaper fuel supply.

Youseff wrote:good Bernie interview on Katie Couric

http://news.yahoo.com/video/presidentia ... 00207.html

Soren wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:In concept, an investment in renewable energy makes sense. That said, when you examine the utter folly of our tax dollars "invested" in renewable energy sources, you might conclude that we'll sooner get to that fine green place by allowing markets to function. As fossil fuels become scarce or expensive, clever people (motivated by profit) will find the right technology. Government is incompetent to do so.

So we should just wait until the gas wells run dry to really put effort into finding green energy sources?

momadance wrote:



Hope he signs with The Mets.

Today, the biggest challenge we must meet is the one we present to ourselves. To not become a nation that places entitlement ahead of accomplishment. To not become a country that places comfortable lies ahead of difficult truths. To not become a people that thinks so little of ourselves that we demand no sacrifice from each other.
Chris Christie

"When the American people no longer believe that this is a place where only their willingness to work hard and to act with honor and integrity and ingenuity determines their success in life, then we’ll have a bunch of people sitting on a couch waiting for their next government check," Christie said.

repealing Obamacare day 1

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:speaking as a fat guy I actually admire him for doing that

fat gals get heaps of praise from feminist groups if they choose to wear bikinis or other such similar wear or if a celeb decries if they get photoshopped too much. Christie is merely wearing an appropriate uniform for the event.