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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby drsmooth » Sat Nov 22, 2014 19:11:45

Yes, but in a double utley you can put your utley on top they other guy's utley, and you're the winner. (Swish)

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby SK790 » Sat Nov 22, 2014 22:40:23


the best part is that the House Select Committee is doing an 8th ( :!: :!: :!: :!: ) investigation on it.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Monkeyboy » Sat Nov 22, 2014 23:46:41

SK790 wrote:

the best part is that the House Select Committee is doing an 8th ( :!: :!: :!: :!: ) investigation on it.



This way, when the next republican president does the Iran-Contra or politicize the justice dept or ignore signs of a coming attack thing (or any of the other very real republican controversies), they'll have people believing that Obama was also under constant investigation. They'll use these trumped up investigations to justify and obfuscate their own real scandals. The public doesn't pay enough attention to tell the difference.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby pacino » Sun Nov 23, 2014 01:30:05

Hard-hitting there
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby TomatoPie » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:31:31

pacino wrote:that's such a misunderstanding of how the economy and 'transfer payments' work i don't even


What part don't you understand?
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:20:20

Hagel getting the boot at DoD. First time Obama has given a cabinet secretary the ax, I think.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:40:10

Senior defense officials confirmed to NBC News Monday that Hagel was forced to resign.

The officials say the White House has lost confidence in Hagel to carry out his role at the Pentagon. According to one senior official, “He wasn’t up to the job.”

NBC

Pretty big surprise there.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:42:53

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/25/us/ha ... ssure.html

My pure speculation:

Hagel was brought in to reduce budgets and the size of the military. The threats that have emerged over the last 12 months have likely put a stop to this - Ebola, Ukraine, ISIL - and my guess is the POTUS doesn't feel like he is capable of leadership with these new threats. I also suspect we're going to see larger military budgets now that the Republicans control Congress, and I fear that we're going to ratchet up the nonsense in Iraq and Syria.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:44:59

And of course we had a Saudi National try and run a car bomb into Ft. Sam Houston down San Antonio way yesterday

http://www.today.com/video/today/56488386#56488386
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby dajafi » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:53:07

Luzinski's Gut wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/25/us/hagel-said-to-be-stepping-down-as-defense-chief-under-pressure.html

My pure speculation:

Hagel was brought in to reduce budgets and the size of the military. The threats that have emerged over the last 12 months have likely put a stop to this - Ebola, Ukraine, ISIL - and my guess is the POTUS doesn't feel like he is capable of leadership with these new threats. I also suspect we're going to see larger military budgets now that the Republicans control Congress, and I fear that we're going to ratchet up the nonsense in Iraq and Syria.


Nothing says strength and resolve against disease and some fanatics like spending billions on weapons programs to keep the Soviets from overrunning West Germany, amirite?

(And yeah, I know ISIL is in some ways more like a state than al Qaeda. Even so, I suspect our current military is sufficient to defeat them.)

Nothing makes me angrier than how we allocate for "defense" compared to how we allocate for everything else. Stupidity and waste become virtues.

Note: rant not directed at LG, or even at the armed services (well, maybe a little, but I'm hating the game and other players much more).
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby pacino » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:53:38

doesn't seem like good news to me. the next person is sure to buy the line that we need to beef things back up
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:43:47

The game is rigged that's for damned sure.


dajafi wrote:
Luzinski's Gut wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/25/us/hagel-said-to-be-stepping-down-as-defense-chief-under-pressure.html

My pure speculation:

Hagel was brought in to reduce budgets and the size of the military. The threats that have emerged over the last 12 months have likely put a stop to this - Ebola, Ukraine, ISIL - and my guess is the POTUS doesn't feel like he is capable of leadership with these new threats. I also suspect we're going to see larger military budgets now that the Republicans control Congress, and I fear that we're going to ratchet up the nonsense in Iraq and Syria.


Nothing says strength and resolve against disease and some fanatics like spending billions on weapons programs to keep the Soviets from overrunning West Germany, amirite?

(And yeah, I know ISIL is in some ways more like a state than al Qaeda. Even so, I suspect our current military is sufficient to defeat them.)

Nothing makes me angrier than how we allocate for "defense" compared to how we allocate for everything else. Stupidity and waste become virtues.

Note: rant not directed at LG, or even at the armed services (well, maybe a little, but I'm hating the game and other players much more).
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby TomatoPie » Mon Nov 24, 2014 13:00:46

drsmooth wrote:
the slope of this chart over the same period indicts whatever stupifyingly idiotic "point" you may be trying to make

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Perhaps you should explain what you think a rising stock market means.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby TomatoPie » Mon Nov 24, 2014 13:04:31

Meanwhile, for those still enamored of Rattner's "More Robin Hood Please" -- where is the evidence of success, and ask yourselves, is it better to have more equal, but smaller slices from a smaller pie?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/more-red ... 1416782352



Mr. Obama often claims that the rich don’t pay their “fair share,” yet the most affluent one-fifth of taxpayers on average supplied 68.7% of federal revenue for 2011. As for the top 1%, they funded 24% of everything the government does in 2011.

The middle quintile—the narrowest definition of the middle class—were households with market income between $49,800 and $83,300 on average. In 2011, they paid about $7,400 in taxes and received $16,500 in transfers, for an average after-tax income of $59,000.

That implies an effective tax rate of minus-13.7%. The comparable rates for the lowest and second-lowest quintiles were minus-35% and minus-27.6%, respectively. Only the fourth quintile (0.7%) and the highest quintile (18.9%) are net tax contributors.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby drsmooth » Mon Nov 24, 2014 15:35:26

TomatoPie wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
the slope of this chart over the same period indicts whatever stupifyingly idiotic "point" you may be trying to make

Image


Perhaps you should explain what you think a rising stock market means.


in the context of your handwringing over "skyrocketing" spending on food for the hungry, etc, the chart stands in for the growth of wealth - at a rate & magnitude that dwarfs your social programs' hillocks.

Sure, shareholders aren't exclusively American. But they're extensively American. And increasingly mostly your 'makers'.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby drsmooth » Mon Nov 24, 2014 16:01:35

TomatoPie wrote:That implies an effective tax rate of minus-13.7%. The comparable rates for the lowest and second-lowest quintiles were minus-35% and minus-27.6%, respectively. Only the fourth quintile (0.7%) and the highest quintile (18.9%) are net tax contributors.


The invidious scumbags that make up the Journals' editors think they can hoodwink everyone with their confusion of wealth and income.

Apparently they can only hoodwink reliable dupes like TPie, who'd eat the proverbial peanuts out of their...paragraphs.

Here's someone's tart reply to WSJ cheerleader/fluffer "Republican strategist" Ed Rogers' enthusiasm for the editorial:

Ed Rogers expressing concern for the middle class is like Bill Cosby expressing concern about sexual harassment.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby TomatoPie » Mon Nov 24, 2014 17:40:11

drsmooth wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
the slope of this chart over the same period indicts whatever stupifyingly idiotic "point" you may be trying to make

Image


Perhaps you should explain what you think a rising stock market means.


in the context of your handwringing over "skyrocketing" spending on food for the hungry, etc, the chart stands in for the growth of wealth - at a rate & magnitude that dwarfs your social programs' hillocks.

Sure, shareholders aren't exclusively American. But they're extensively American. And increasingly mostly your 'makers'.


Well thanks for that. You've cited two coincidental trends, in response to my proving that government is bigger now than it was in 50s.

I think we can all agree that the 1950s were indeed not the Golden Age of Big Government, and also that we're much wealthier now even with the burden of burgeoning transfer payments that do nothing for GDP nor class mobility nor evening out wealth differences. Now if we could just get rid of Ruben, things would be peachy.

Growth in wealth - that's a good thing, right?
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby drsmooth » Tue Nov 25, 2014 00:40:55

TomatoPie wrote:
Growth in wealth - that's a good thing, right?


not when a tiny fraction of the populace, that already has a hefty & disproportionate portion of it, garners a grotesquely outsized share of its growth

somehow you continually leave the humans out of your evaluation of affairs
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 25, 2014 09:41:23

Rudy Guliani single-handedly saved the lives of black people, per the source of Rudy Guliani. Sure, the crime rate in NYC was already going down in NYC before he even became mayor, but he did it!! he did it!!! he loves black people! he just hates that they're so dangerous and keep killing each other

what an egotistical asshat. Guiliani time, indeed
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