Bill McNeal wrote:He wrote his own obituary and designed his own headstone: "Devoted Father, Lucky Husband"

Bill McNeal wrote:So, I'd posted a few weeks ago about my grandfather, he passed away yesterday. He was 85 years old, a navy meteorologist and served 3 tours of active duty during wartime on an aircraft carrier. He retired when I was a kid and returned to civilian service at NAFEC in Galloway, NJ as a weather guesser, as he called it. He was the funniest and most optimistic person I've met. After having surgery to remove a brain tumor, which is what landed him in the hospital to begin with, he contracted a blood infection, which was his ultimate undoing. It was so severe that anyone going in his room had to wear a gown, gloves and mask, the other day a nurse came in to put a new IV in and said "Mr. Gardner, I'm going to hold your hand while I do this." And he replied a beat later, "That's fine, just don't try to kiss me, Ok."

CUMIA: When you watch any of the footage of any of the Apollo programs over the years and you look at the control room of mission control, what do you see? Do you see diversity there? Honestly, let's be honest. You're seeing white males smoking cigarettes, drinking coffee at the console and putting people on the moon. How is this a horrible thing? How is this something to look at and say, "We need to change this by injecting people that do not pay attention to the laws of this country, do not assimilate to the cultures, do not work and contribute to this nation"? Why is this a good thing to then add these people into the formula to make this a great country? Diversity for the sense of just diversity is not a good thing. And when I talk about race and try to be open and honest about it in this day and age, you're chastised, you're looked at as the racist.

WheelsFellOff wrote:He makes a very strong point, anytime you try and say something like he did there you are labeled a racist.

Soren wrote:I mean. I get his logic, but I feel like if you're making that point it's because you want a cheap justification for being a closet racist.

JUburton wrote:

Soren wrote:I mean. I get his logic, but I feel like if you're making that point it's because you want a cheap justification for being a closet racist.

It's flawed logic. Yeah, we put people on the moon with a bunch of white men but if you opened up the talent pool to the best and brightest women, minorities and such, it very well could have been done safer/faster/better/cheaper.

JUburton wrote:

Soren wrote:I mean. I get his logic, but I feel like if you're making that point it's because you want a cheap justification for being a closet racist.

It's flawed logic. Yeah, we put people on the moon with a bunch of white men but if you opened up the talent pool to the best and brightest women, minorities and such, it very well could have been done safer/faster/better/cheaper.

ReadingPhilly wrote:rehashing the same arguments is mundane.