Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu May 01, 2014 10:05:09

Some weed indeed.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby dajafi » Thu May 01, 2014 10:11:26

Pretty good NYT article on poverty by Ezra Klein's wife </sexist>

I thought this was very illuminating as far as why liberals and conservatives have such divergent takes on the status of the poor: they have many of the same tangible goods as the middle-class and rich, but not what most of us probably would consider the more important assets.

But another form of progress has led to what some economists call the “Walmart effect”: falling prices for a huge array of manufactured goods.

Since the 1980s, for instance, the real price of a midrange color television has plummeted about tenfold, and televisions today are crisper, bigger, lighter and often Internet-connected. Similarly, the effective price of clothing, bicycles, small appliances, processed foods — virtually anything produced in a factory — has followed a downward trajectory. The result is that Americans can buy much more stuff at bargain prices.

Many crucial services, though, remain out of reach for poor families. The costs of a college education and health care have soared. Ms. Hagen-Noey, for instance, does not treat her hepatitis and other medical problems, as she does not qualify for Medicaid and cannot pay for her own insurance or care.

Child care also remains only a small sliver of the consumption of poor families because it is simply too expensive. In many cases, it depresses the earnings of women who have no choice but to give up hours working to stay at home.


This also blows up the dickish sentiment (expressed even in the comments to this story) of "well, if you want X, don't buy that TV." The TV is freaking cheap! College, not so much.

(I will admit to being unsure why the woman in question here doesn't qualify for Medicaid.)

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby Werthless » Thu May 01, 2014 10:40:13

Fair article, and the citations of conservatives surprisingly does not mischaracterize their position.

House Republicans, led by Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, have convened a series of hearings on poverty, including one on Wednesday, in some cases arguing that hundreds of billions of dollars of government spending a year may have made poverty easier or more comfortable but has done little to significantly limit its reach.
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“The question isn’t whether the federal government should help; the question is how,” Mr. Ryan said at the hearing on Wednesday. “How do we make sure that every single taxpayer dollar we spend to reduce poverty is actually working?”
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As a result, the differences in what poor and middle-class families consume on a day-to-day basis are much smaller than the differences in what they earn.

“There’s just a whole lot more assistance per low-income person than there ever has been,” said Robert Rector, a senior research fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation. “That is propping up the living standards to a considerable degree,” he said, citing a number of statistics on housing, nutrition and other categories.

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby dajafi » Thu May 01, 2014 10:52:10

Rector generally has struck me as a fair-minded and serious guy. There's a small number of honorable conservatives who have seriously grappled with poverty issues and tried to come up with policy solutions; Ron Haskins, primary author of the '96 welfare reform, is another.

Ryan is... well... he's not in that number. I would absolutely love to see him debate anyone who knows the first thing about poverty. Then again, after Biden ate his lunch, he's probably not interested in anything like that.

What's kind of amusing about "As a result, the differences in what poor and middle-class families consume on a day-to-day basis are much smaller than the differences in what they earn," is that it would make a true communist's head explode.

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu May 01, 2014 12:11:15

On poverty, there are two important things to consider. First, relative poverty does in fact suck. Maybe not as much as absolute poverty. Second, what needs to be added to any understanding of poverty is whether there can be any expectation that poverty is a temporary condition.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby pacino » Thu May 01, 2014 13:52:27

He doesn't even understand what it even means.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby Bucky » Thu May 01, 2014 16:18:13

so sick of white guys saying what Sterling said "wasn't all that bad" and people should "stop being so sensitive".

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby td11 » Thu May 01, 2014 16:35:22

CalvinBall wrote:White Privilege is not a thing

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/134388- ... privilege/


i'm curious, were you posting this sarcastically or earnestly? not trying to beef, jw
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby Bucky » Thu May 01, 2014 16:39:56

pacino wrote:He doesn't even understand what it even means.



haha, just posted a similar reply in the comments section

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby CalvinBall » Thu May 01, 2014 16:41:24

td11 wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:White Privilege is not a thing

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/134388- ... privilege/


i'm curious, were you posting this sarcastically or earnestly? not trying to beef, jw



oh god no. sarcastically. it is awful awful.

saw it on facebook. someone posted it seriously.

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby td11 » Thu May 01, 2014 16:46:21

love u cal

i'm gonna cross-post this in the NBA thread but it belongs here: This Town Needs a Better Class of Racist
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu May 01, 2014 16:50:56

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby td11 » Thu May 01, 2014 16:53:17

no you can't jew
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu May 01, 2014 19:01:40

So what's with Scalia? He's been very vocal about some controversial subjects over the past year and then his huge mistake this week misrepresenting a past decision that he actually wrote. Maybe he's losing it, going senile.

I would suggest making a law to limit the age of SC justices, but those old bastards would probably just rule it unconstitutional.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby slugsrbad » Thu May 01, 2014 20:04:27

Monkeyboy wrote:So what's with Scalia? He's been very vocal about some controversial subjects over the past year and then his huge mistake this week misrepresenting a past decision that he actually wrote. Maybe he's losing it, going senile.

I would suggest making a law to limit the age of SC justices, but those old bastards would probably just rule it unconstitutional.


Well it is. There would need to be an Amendment passed.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby dajafi » Thu May 01, 2014 20:17:58

CalvinBall wrote:
td11 wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:White Privilege is not a thing

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/134388- ... privilege/


i'm curious, were you posting this sarcastically or earnestly? not trying to beef, jw



oh god no. sarcastically. it is awful awful.

saw it on facebook. someone posted it seriously.


I think the best you could say for the author is that he fails to understand his family's own historical experience and its similarities to what non-whites have endured in the U.S.

(Also, that the world isn't Princeton.)

(Also also, holy fuck is that TNC piece great. Thanks td for posting. Wish the Princeton kid would read it.)

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby SK790 » Fri May 02, 2014 03:53:49

dajafi wrote:holy fuck is that TNC piece great. Thanks td for posting. Wish the Princeton kid would read it.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby pacino » Fri May 02, 2014 08:35:17

td11 wrote:love u cal

i'm gonna cross-post this in the NBA thread but it belongs here: This Town Needs a Better Class of Racist

great stuff
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