POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Barry Jive » Thu Mar 06, 2014 17:16:04

this is pretty "gotcha" stuff but I thought it was funny

Ryan J. Reilly @ryanjreilly
Asked Toomey if a lawyer who represented murderer of 8 people should be confirmed, didn't seem to realize I was talking about John Roberts.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Mar 06, 2014 17:32:08

Barry Jive wrote:this is pretty "gotcha" stuff but I thought it was funny

Ryan J. Reilly @ryanjreilly
Asked Toomey if a lawyer who represented murderer of 8 people should be confirmed, didn't seem to realize I was talking about John Roberts.

Did he get um? The next tweet is

Ryan J. Reilly ‏@ryanjreilly
Toomey indicated he didn't know details of John Roberts' representation of murderer, referred me back to his speech.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Barry Jive » Thu Mar 06, 2014 18:46:35

I meant "gotcha" in the sense that it seems like he purposely asked a question in a manner such that it would conceivably result in an embarrassing response

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Thu Mar 06, 2014 19:58:07

Apparently a judge thought the jury instruction had issues and sided with the LDF. Cant have winners on our team, though.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Thu Mar 06, 2014 20:48:41

jerseyhoya wrote:His involvement with the case was current up till a few years ago, not 1981. Pat Toomey's op-ed in the Wall Street Journal from a few weeks ago.

But it is one thing to provide legal representation and quite another to seize on a case and turn it into a political platform from which to launch an extreme attack on the justice system. When a lawyer chooses that course, it is appropriate to ask whether he should be singled out for a high-level national position in, of all things, law enforcement.

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Given this context—and the fact that Abu-Jamal was already well represented and had funds at his disposal—it is difficult to understand why, as acting president and director of litigation at the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund, Mr. Adegbile chose in 2009 to enter the circus created by Abu-Jamal and inject his organization into the case. Under Mr. Adegbile's leadership and through rallies, protests and a media campaign, the Legal Defense Fund actively fanned the racial firestorm. In a news release issued when it took over as Abu-Jamal's counsel, the Legal Defense Fund proclaimed that Abu-Jamal was "a symbol of the racial injustices of the death penalty."

At a 2011 rally for Abu-Jamal, Mr. Adegbile's co-counsel on the case stated that "there is no question in the mind of anyone at the Legal Defense Fund" that [Abu-Jamal's conviction] "has everything to do with race and that is why the Legal Defense Fund is in the case."

In 2012, even after Abu-Jamal's appeals had been exhausted, and after the Philadelphia district attorney's office had put the controversial case to rest by not seeking a new death sentence (which a court had voided in 2008 on the ground of faulty jury instructions), Abu-Jamal's website reported that the Legal Defense Fund would remain active in the cause by investigating new ways to challenge his conviction.

Mumia has always been a weird cause celebre for the anti-capital punishment crowd. The exalting of him as some sort of hero/victim tarnishes the people who've advocated for him in a way that isn't true for just about any other case I could possibly think of.


this is great stuff by Toomey, except

1) several of the items aren't really about Adegbile - he isn't his co-counsel, and he's not Abu-Jamal's website. Toomey's careful to insinuate, but not to allege a direct connection
2) Pat Toomey, exemplar of integrity?
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Fri Mar 07, 2014 09:29:11

Little Paulie Ryan, brown baggin' it

awwww

I mean his story's every bit as authentic as Team Teabag's Obamacare Horror Stories of Scary Horror
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:29:03

traderdave wrote:No mention yet of the dust-up between Cummings and Issa? Short story is Issa iron-handedly adjourned a meeting of the House Oversight Committee after Lois Lerner took the Fifth during questioning over whether or not the IRS targeted conservative groups. Cummings did not approve. The entire exchange is here, if anyone missed it and is interested (about 7.5 minutes):

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/cong ... rs-hearing

turns out he was going to highlight the emails Lerner wrote where she explicitly wrote that people should not let their political opinions factor into which groups they check, thus destroying any accusation against her
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:21:38

come election time, tom corbett is forgetting he's a conservative republican
Perhaps even conservative Republican Gov. Tom Corbett, known for steadfast convictions regardless of political outcome, taking a step or two toward the ideological center in a bid to raise his historically low poll numbers.

Corbett on Thursday indicated a willingness to drop a proposed work-search requirement for Medicaid, something he had insisted on as part of his hand-crafted expansion plan. Instead, his administration now proposes a voluntary job-training pilot program offering participants lower insurance premiums.

G. Terry Madonna On Wednesday, Corbett signaled he will help Pennsylvanians whose food stamps recently were cut by Congress. The state will shift surplus home-heating assistance money to the food stamp program, preventing 400,000 people from losing $300 million in food stamps and benefiting businesses as well.
Of course, Corbett rejects any notion of politics behind either move. Poppycock, say pundits, who admittedly are operating on educated speculation, not inside information.

Today, fewer voters care about reduced government spending or budget cuts compared with 2010, said G. Terry Madonna, Franklin & Marshall College pollster and political science professor.

Today, more — although certainly not all — voters want more education spending, Medicaid expansion, a higher minimum wage and a governor who cares about the poor, Madonna said, basing his opinion on state polling.

In Madonna's view, Corbett's acting to drop the work requirement, intervene in the food stamp shortage and ask the state Legislature to increase education funding by $400 million in 2014-15 reflects an understanding of what voters want.

"There is a growing realization that what voters want is tied to his re-election," Madonna said. "He can't be a scrooge going into the fall."

Corbett got a 36 percent approval rating from adults in Lehigh and Northampton counties, according to a Morning Call/Muhlenberg College poll released Monday. That tracks closely with four statewide polls, which also showed Corbett hypothetically losing to most of the seven Democrats running in the May 20 primary.

Fifty-five percent of respondents in a Quinnipiac University Poll said Corbett does not care about the "needs and problems" of people like them. Those results include 32 percent of Republicans, 74 percent of Democrats and 57 percent of independents.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Werthless » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:27:23

pacino wrote:In Madonna's view, Corbett's acting to drop the work requirement, intervene in the food stamp shortage and ask the state Legislature to increase education funding by $400 million in 2014-15 reflects an understanding of what voters want.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby traderdave » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:34:10

drsmooth wrote:Little Paulie Ryan, brown baggin' it

awwww

I mean his story's every bit as authentic as Team Teabag's Obamacare Horror Stories of Scary Horror


"If this kid tells me a brown bag was more important than a free lunch, we’ve missed the whole notion of parents being there for their children because we’ve taken over that responsibility, and I think we need to be very careful about how we provide programs to families that don’t undermine families’ responsibilities."

I guess it is better that our government lets these kids starve? Look, I get, and agree with, the responsibility thing; I have posted here numerous times complaining from a BOE point of view that I am tired of parents' responsibilities getting push off on school districts. But school lunch programs is the area that you are going to choose to target? And he wants to talk about empty souls?

My district has a 40% free and reduced lunch population so I can tell you that making sure our students do not go hungry is more than just business as usual. In places like Camden, the FRL population is more like 90% to 95%. IOW, it is possible that 95 out of every 100 kids in Camden went to school hungry this morning (assuming they actually went to school). I wonder if Congressman Ryan could enlighten us on how he thinks children going to school without breakfast or with no lunch are going to perform in class. How does he think he would do on a science or math exam when all he could think about was how hungry he was? I know of teachers (yeah, those awful teachers) and lunch aides that pay for kids' meals out of their own pockets. I know of an administrator who, knowing that his family was struggling, took a student shopping for groceries on his own dime.

There is no doubt in anybody's mind that there is abuse of SNAP, just like there is abuse of the pension system, just like there is abuse of government contracts. And nobody can dare argue with a straight face that our political system is not rife with corruption and abuse. Defense contractors have made abuse an art form but plenty of Congressmen and women are lining up to give them more money to steal from the public. It is obvious that corporations are buying elections but instead of curbing the abuse we call them "people" and allow them to continue doing it. It boggles my mind (not a difficult task) that some of our elected officials have become so up in arms about allowing people the most basic of human necessities - food. Is it really worth sending starving children to school to root out the little bit of abuse that exists in the system?

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby dajafi » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:52:07

Hey, everybody knows that hungry kids learn better. Oh, wait.

Krugman found the evidence that, contra Ryan, a strong social safety net actually enables socioeconomic mobility. Which makes sense: in addition to the learning-better-when-not-faint-from-hunger thing, when you're at less risk of having your resources wiped out by any of a million things going wrong, you can invest in self-improvement through education.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:52:10

The left is making a big mistake here. What they’re offering people is a full stomach and an empty soul. The American people want more than that. This reminds me of a story I heard from Eloise Anderson. She serves in the cabinet of my buddy, Governor Scott Walker. She once met a young boy from a very poor family, and every day at school, he would get a free lunch from a government program. He told Eloise he didn’t want a free lunch. He wanted his own lunch, one in a brown-paper bag just like the other kids. He wanted one, he said, because he knew a kid with a brown-paper bag had someone who cared for him. This is what the left does not understand.”

first I read this...do we actually think this kid is real???

and wow, way to shame poor people into implying they don't care about their children if they're poor
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:59:20

while there's no question Little Paulie's worldview is ... peculiar, I have to admit my main interest in it was that his tale was completely fabricated
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:00:42

Jesus if Lindsey Graham had any balls he'd be a dick short of a guy with balls
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Bucky » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:05:30

the more I think about it, the more I get angered about how most conservatives have turned the war vs. poverty into a war vs. the poor.

and I am open to being taught otherwise, but I believe that this has its major push from that conservative icon Ronald Reagan, who introduced the "welfare queen" to the world, thus firing the shot that morphed the war.

#$!&@ Reagan.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:08:33

#$!&@ Reagan.

60 year olds all over the Delaware Valley are falling over shocked at your statement, Bucky!
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby td11 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:59:04

Bucky wrote:the more I think about it, the more I get angered about how most conservatives have turned the war vs. poverty into a war vs. the poor.

and I am open to being taught otherwise, but I believe that this has its major push from that conservative icon Ronald Reagan, who introduced the "welfare queen" to the world, thus firing the shot that morphed the war.

#$!&@ Reagan.


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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Mar 07, 2014 13:18:45

The Welfare Queen - I posted this back when it came out last year, but it's a good read

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Fri Mar 07, 2014 13:26:50

worth reminding people that the thrust of the article is easily misconstrued
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Werthless » Fri Mar 07, 2014 13:55:27

Bucky wrote:the more I think about it, the more I get angered about how most conservatives have turned the war vs. poverty into a war vs. the poor.

and I am open to being taught otherwise, but I believe that this has its major push from that conservative icon Ronald Reagan, who introduced the "welfare queen" to the world, thus firing the shot that morphed the war.

#$!&@ Reagan.

Conservatives and liberals both want to reduce poverty, and I agree, that's easily lost when talking about whether X or Y program actually works. It's really a shame it's gotten to this.

I, like a lot of conservatives, have a hard time reconciling the reality of the unchanged poverty levels and decreased social mobility in the US with the trillions spent on the programs that target these groups. It's not because people are mean, or that some people don't want to reduce poverty. It's a very delicate topic indeed.

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