Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:18:36

drsmooth wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Unless you're willing to live under a bridge or in a cave, forgo any professional medical treatment, and more or less live a modern life, you're going to turn over massive amounts of personal data to people who are not necessarily benevolent.


Hasn't the kind of data under examination always been "turned over" in various ways in the process of forging relationships? The forging of trust has since about ever involved the tribal elders breaking bread, shaking hands (no sword in that mitt? Hey, good to meetcha!), smiling, exchanging daughters, and making nice.

That institutional, particularly governmental, entities have ratcheted up the asymmetry of exchange over the centuries, and have harnessed formidable technologies to do so - tech we little people also find handy & for similar purposes - is one among many worthwhile matters to examine, or re-examine, in considering what useful steps can be taken from here by the country and the people best-positioned to create policy in this area.


There's a point, and we're past it, where the quantity increases that we're talking about a change in quality. In addition, it's now all cloaked in a language of benevolence that makes it all the more sinister. Again, I'm far more concerned about the coerciveness of the so-called free market than PRISM. Fordism and all that.

And yet--maybe we are better off. Mostly, for instance, anti-smoking campaigns have worked. And they've worked in part by crawling inside our minds.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby drsmooth » Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:19:54

Seeing Mark Udall on some Sunday talkers about the Prism program, etc

He's a long way from convincing me he knows much of anything about what's going on, what the issues are, etc

if his understanding represents the average among his Senate peers, there's lots of learning that needs to happen
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Jun 09, 2013 15:19:53

The whistleblower is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. He seems a few orders of magnitude less obnoxious than Bradley Manning.

Interesting read

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby td11 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 18:22:25



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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sun Jun 09, 2013 18:59:26

jerseyhoya wrote:The whistleblower is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. He seems a few orders of magnitude less obnoxious than Bradley Manning.

Interesting read

He fled to Hong Kong. According to an update on the guardian website, he's defecting to China.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby dajafi » Sun Jun 09, 2013 19:15:33

Phan In Phlorida wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:The whistleblower is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. He seems a few orders of magnitude less obnoxious than Bradley Manning.

Interesting read

He fled to Hong Kong. According to an update on the guardian website, he's defecting to China.


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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Jun 09, 2013 19:28:38

Yeah, if he's defecting to China, that detracts significantly from my earlier opinion of him being much less awful than Manning

I must be missing where in the piece he talks about seeking asylum in China though

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby Swiggers » Sun Jun 09, 2013 20:03:09

The Dude wrote:you're compromising the integrity of the bean


That's what she said.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby dajafi » Sun Jun 09, 2013 20:15:23

One assholish argument excusing all this stuff is the old "if you have nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about." But isn't the government's side subject to the same logic? If this is such an unambiguous good, why were they hellbent on keeping it secret, and now punishing the leakers?

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Jun 09, 2013 22:34:18

People are saying Sheila Oliver, Assembly Speaker, fellow Newark resident, fellow African American will be entering the race tomorrow.

Balancing out that bad news for Booker is he has gotten the nod from Boss Norcross.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby drsmooth » Sun Jun 09, 2013 22:40:29

jerz, why would friends of christie be running the cheesily peevish ads about Buono? Can't really call them attack ads; they're negative, but limply so. Why bother so early, if at all, when he's gonna moidah the dame?
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Jun 09, 2013 22:43:33

She's largely unknown. He has money and she doesn't have much. He wants to try and define her as a tax and spend/return to Corzine type with the electorate before she can define herself.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Jun 10, 2013 13:57:43

Bill Bradley ran a dumb, low key, positive campaign in 1990, and came uncomfortably close to losing to a nobody sacrificial lamb candidate named Christie Todd Whitman. Probably had a little to do with not ever being seriously considered a potential President.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby drsmooth » Mon Jun 10, 2013 16:06:30

ok, I hear you, but the tone of the ads I've seen seem to put the BIG Man back on the bully track, which I'm not sure he needs/wants to return to with gusto
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby Swiggers » Mon Jun 10, 2013 16:31:04

TenuredVulture wrote:Bill Bradley ran a dumb, low key, positive campaign in 1990, and came uncomfortably close to losing to a nobody sacrificial lamb candidate named Christie Todd Whitman. Probably had a little to do with not ever being seriously considered a potential President.


I always thought that was more about NJ voters being angry over Florio's tax hikes (and his arrogance about them) and taking it out on the first Democrat they could.

(Yes, I know Bradley had nothing to do with them, but many voters aren't rational.)
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby Swiggers » Mon Jun 10, 2013 16:32:09

Oh, and the main reason that Bradley was never a serious Presidential candidate is that he has the personality of a dead fish.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Jun 10, 2013 17:13:43

Swiggers wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Bill Bradley ran a dumb, low key, positive campaign in 1990, and came uncomfortably close to losing to a nobody sacrificial lamb candidate named Christie Todd Whitman. Probably had a little to do with not ever being seriously considered a potential President.


I always thought that was more about NJ voters being angry over Florio's tax hikes (and his arrogance about them) and taking it out on the first Democrat they could.

(Yes, I know Bradley had nothing to do with them, but many voters aren't rational.)


Sure, but even so, it should never have been that close. Whitmans' prior political experience was Somerset County executive or something like that. The infamous terrible ad was the one where Bradley put his feet up on his desk, and was wearing basketball shoes.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jun 11, 2013 01:36:29

The official field for the Dems in the Senate primary is

Mayor Cory Booker
Rep. Rush Holt
Rep. Frank Pallone
Assembly Speaker Shelia Oliver

Booker starts as the prohibitive favorite with clear vulnerabilities. But the election is only two months away, and he seems very likely to be in position to be able to run out the clock and win.

Wild ass guess for final numbers: Booker 38%/Pallone 28%/Holt 23%/Oliver 11%

The Republican offering will be Steve Lonegan, the legally blind conservative ex-mayor of Bogota (NJ not Colombia) who will finally get his shot to run statewide and show just how potent the Tea Party brand is in NJ. There is another Republican in the field, Dr. Alieta Eck, but it seems like everyone is endorsing Lonegan.

On the governor's race front, Christie received an endorsement today from powerful Hudson County State Sen. Brian Stack (D) and is expected to be endorsed by Essex County Executive Joe DiVincenzo (D) tomorrow. Outside of Bob Menendez, arguably the two biggest Democratic leaders in the two largest Democratic counties in New Jersey. Pretty wild.

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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Tue Jun 11, 2013 07:42:25

Crush him. Defecting to China? Really? He's a traitor, plain and simple.

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jerseyhoya wrote:The whistleblower is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. He seems a few orders of magnitude less obnoxious than Bradley Manning.

Interesting read

He fled to Hong Kong. According to an update on the guardian website, he's defecting to China.
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Re: Fake and Real scandals, and Louie Gohmert Love Politics

Postby jamiethekiller » Tue Jun 11, 2013 08:23:09

why would anyone defect to china and not switzerland/sweden blows my mind. china would be the last place i would go right now.

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